RedCollarBlackCollar said:
Symbiote tag needs to be reviewed + fixed.
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=symbiote
agreed:

a lot can be put under living_costume
depending on the natue of the pic, you might also need

parasite, possession, absorbtion
I second Grim's idea re: monochrome.
Why not use both greyscale and monochrome? We would use greyscale for black and white images, and monochrome for images with only one or two colors. We would also need greyscale to imply monochrome, since all greyscale images are, by definition, monochromatic.

Take a look at Danbooru's tag wiki pages for monochrome and greyscale, I think they have the right idea.

Note that we would have to change the current monochrome tag, which is used for monochrome the artist, to monochrome_(artist) or similar.
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=yordle

Seems like an unnecessary tag, though could be kept as a regular tag like "drow" rather than a character tag.
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=yordle

Seems like an unnecessary tag, though could be kept as a regular tag like "drow" rather than a character tag.
I added it as a character tag without really thinking about it, but it might be better as a regular tag.

Now that I think about it, if species tags aren't supposed to be character tags, shouldn't tags like mithra and miqo'te be regular tags too? There are plenty of others, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Or are generic species tags like orc, elf, and drow normal tags, but series-specific species tags like miqo'te and yordle character tags? I'm beginning to confuse myself, so I'll stop talking now.
This is why e621 has species tags
I made a comment on one of the recent Android 21 pics. I don't think we should keep the "Majin Android 21" tag. For starters it isn't an official name, and beyond that the form doesn't even have a name, just being called her "True" form.

So yeah. I think the tag should go.
EoD said:
I made a comment on one of the recent Android 21 pics. I don't think we should keep the "Majin Android 21" tag. For starters it isn't an official name, and beyond that the form doesn't even have a name, just being called her "True" form.

So yeah. I think the tag should go.
I made my reply in the comments.
Making an official request that "artist_request" and "source_request" be mandatory tags; especially for manips.
BlackWidow69x said:
Making an official request that "artist_request" and "source_request" be mandatory tags; especially for manips.
Those tags should be on any images that lack correct artist tags or source links, yes. There's nothing we can really do outside of adding them wherever they're missing, though.
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=angel+

We have "angel", "angel girl" and "angel boy." IMO it should just be "angel."

Then there's the issue of "witch hat" vs "witch." This sort of relates to "police" vs "police uniform" which I brought up a while back (and I suppose also "police girl"), as far as distinguishing or differentiating between outfit vs profession. Do we really need both...?
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=angel+

We have "angel", "angel girl" and "angel boy." IMO it should just be "angel."

Then there's the issue of "witch hat" vs "witch." This sort of relates to "police" vs "police uniform" which I brought up a while back (and I suppose also "police girl"), as far as distinguishing or differentiating between outfit vs profession. Do we really need both...?
Angel boy and angel girl are consistent with our other tags like cat boy/cat girl and demon boy/demon girl. Angel is the unneeded one. Witch could probably be done away with at this point and replaced with witch hat or witch costume. Police uniform should be the only police tags. All others are unneeded.
Can we change/alias wink to one_eye_closed? Pretty much every image I've seen with the wink tag has simply been a character with one of their eyes closed, as opposed to actually winking.
I second aliasing it. The only alternatives would be to make them mutually exclusive or to have wink implicate one_eye_closed... but differentiating them is really subjective and can even have different standards based on what part of the world you're in. It's better to get rid of "wink" entirely.
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=virgin+

This seems like an unnecessary tag, idk...?
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
http://hypnohub.net/post?tags=virgin+

This seems like an unnecessary tag, idk...?
It's a tag that's used on other boorus as well. It's for images of girls having their hymen broken (indicated by blood coming out of their vagina during or after sex). Basically, it's a defloration tag.
Mindwipe said:
It's a tag that's used on other boorus as well. It's for images of girls having their hymen broken (indicated by blood coming out of their vagina during or after sex). Basically, it's a defloration tag.
Gotcha.
BlackWidow69x said:
Making an official request that "artist_request" and "source_request" be mandatory tags; especially for manips.
I agree

Mindwipe said:
Angel boy and angel girl are consistent with our other tags like cat boy/cat girl and demon boy/demon girl. Angel is the unneeded one. Witch could probably be done away with at this point and replaced with witch hat or witch costume. Police uniform should be the only police tags. All others are unneeded.
while I basically agree, the non gendered form [and of all creatures] could still be useful for androgynous

although I inevitably put both the gendered form and the neutral one, trying to include everything
https://hypnohub.net/post/show/60420/breasts_outside-brown_hair-cleavage-erect_nipples-

I've tried tagging images like the above as 'femdom' in addition to the already included 'femsub' because it could be either/or, depending on the subjective preference of the viewer. however, it seems like the femdom tag gets removed from many of these types of solo, female_only images. is there a reason for this?
bob8boy8 said:
https://hypnohub.net/post/show/60420/breasts_outside-brown_hair-cleavage-erect_nipples-

I've tried tagging images like the above as 'femdom' in addition to the already included 'femsub' because it could be either/or, depending on the subjective preference of the viewer. however, it seems like the femdom tag gets removed from many of these types of solo, female_only images. is there a reason for this?
It seems to have worked for me. No idea what was happening on your end.
bob8boy8 said:
https://hypnohub.net/post/show/60420/breasts_outside-brown_hair-cleavage-erect_nipples-

I've tried tagging images like the above as 'femdom' in addition to the already included 'femsub' because it could be either/or, depending on the subjective preference of the viewer. however, it seems like the femdom tag gets removed from many of these types of solo, female_only images. is there a reason for this?
Mindwipe said:
It seems to have worked for me. No idea what was happening on your end.
It's cause the original manipper removed it. Try not to add tags that can be subjective. Artist/manipper has more final say on the matter in most cases.
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
It's cause the original manipper removed it. Try not to add tags that can be subjective. Artist/manipper has more final say on the matter in most cases.
the manipper's personal preference takes precedence over the convenience of the site's users? people like me will have a more difficult time finding images of that type as a result of this policy. I don't see how the inclusion of a tag is hindering anyone else's experience, but leaving the tag out does
bob8boy8 said:
the manipper's personal preference takes precedence over the convenience of the site's users? people like me will have a more difficult time finding images of that type as a result of this policy. I don't see how the inclusion of a tag is hindering anyone else's experience, but leaving the tag out does
You say the "manipper's personal preference", but you earlier also said "depending on the subjective preference of the viewer."

So yes, it does hinder other people's experiences. Because if any users tag posts however they see fit on a subjective level, it absolutely does make searches for other users much more difficult, as users will have to wade through a lot of results that arguably don't fit.

As an example:
In this image, the girl is staring at the viewer, has spiral eyes, is smiling, and her breasts are pressed together. Seeing as how the original post you brought into question has similar elements to this one, I could look at it and subjectively conclude that the blonde girl on the desk is a dom. However, the image has a separate story to go with it, and the girl in the story is portrayed as a sub. If I had never read the separate story, what's stopping me from tagging it as such? And the same could therefore be said with many other posts out there.

We can say all we want that it's the manipper's or artist's "personal preference", but at some point, a line needs to be drawn for tagging things based on their intention, rather than mere interpretation.

*I don't exactly like crediting manippers as "creators" like they're on the same level as that of original artists, though in this specific case, I will use that term to refer to them.
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
You say the "manipper's personal preference", but you earlier also said "depending on the subjective preference of the viewer."
right, the manipper's preference in the example I posted is that it should be tagged femsub, and I'm not arguing for removing that, just to add the femdom tag as well, which doesn't make anyone's browsing experience more difficult, only easier for some people

I think it should be handled on a case-by-base basis, not strictly based on the whim of the manipper. the example you bring up clearly has context that makes it femsub, while the image I pointed out does not, it could go either way
bob8boy8 said:
right, the manipper's preference in the example I posted is that it should be tagged femsub, and I'm not arguing for removing that, just to add the femdom tag as well, which doesn't make anyone's browsing experience more difficult, only easier for some people

I think it should be handled on a case-by-base basis, not strictly based on the whim of the manipper. the example you bring up clearly has context that makes it femsub, while the image I pointed out does not, it could go either way
Well, I've given my input for the most part, as I'm unsure where to go from here. I'd honestly either have the other mods weigh in, or have Henry have the ultimate say on the matter.
I feel artist intent is definitely important when it comes to sub/dom tags. If the artist meant for it to be subjective, then using both tags is fine. If they specifically say that it's sub, it's sub. The point of tags is to strive for accuracy and objectivity. We can't start tagging based on everyone's headcanons.
Mindwipe said:
I feel artist intent is definitely important when it comes to sub/dom tags. If the artist meant for it to be subjective, then using both tags is fine. If they specifically say that it's sub, it's sub. The point of tags is to strive for accuracy and objectivity. We can't start tagging based on everyone's headcanons.
That being said, I've noticed how a number of images have had "femdom" added to it, and many of those posts had the tag removed by the manipper. At this point, I ask to please not tag based on interpretation anymore, and the same would go for any other users as well. This reminds me of a dispute I had in the past over the tag "sexuality change" being used, mainly in images of characters fucking one-another that canonically were not gay, bi, lesbian, or pansexual. It may seem like not a big deal to include the tag for certain images, but even on a case-by-case basis, the tag was being applied to posts where "sexuality change" was very much not meant to be the emphasis, unlike other posts where it was the emphasis of it.

And in regards to your earlier comment/concern:

bob8boy8 said:
people like me will have a more difficult time finding images of that type as a result of this policy.
Just add posts + images to your favorites. Makes it easy for you to go back to the specific posts you're looking for.
alright, but the tagging guidelines may need to be updated to reflect this policy

"Dom/Sub
Please use femdom for any pic with a female in control, and femsub for any pic with a female being controlled. Use the same logic with maledom and malesub. If a character is a futanari, then add the futasub or futadom tags as necessary, as futanari are considered their own gender for the sake of tagging. Please do not guess the gender of the sub or dom if there are no clear indicators."

it doesn't mention anything about interpretation or manipper's preference, which is why I felt free to add those tags
bob8boy8 said:
alright, but the tagging guidelines may need to be updated to reflect this policy

"Dom/Sub
Please use femdom for any pic with a female in control, and femsub for any pic with a female being controlled. Use the same logic with maledom and malesub. If a character is a futanari, then add the futasub or futadom tags as necessary, as futanari are considered their own gender for the sake of tagging. Please do not guess the gender of the sub or dom if there are no clear indicators."

it doesn't mention anything about interpretation or manipper's preference, which is why I felt free to add those tags
That is because interpretation is rarely an issue. As Mindwipe said, "If the artist meant for it to be subjective, then using both tags is fine." In most cases though, including this one, posts by manippers and artists do not come down to just "personal preference." To prefer is to like or favor something over that of other choices/options, and personal refers to that of the individual. This doesn't come down to the manipper or creator "liking" femsub more than femdom; instead, it is their intention for the image to be depicted as "femsub", not femdom. Rules are not going to be changed or updated, as this really should no longer be up for further debate.
ok, well alternatively, if the tags included by the manipper/uploader are to be valued over tags added by others, then maybe their tags should be color coded or otherwise identified differently so people know not to add tags that contrast with their intention