Curiosity About the Authenticity of Hypnotism
So, gotta ask, cuz even though I love the idea of hypnotism being a thing, I'm still a mite bit leery of it. In the hypnosis chat logs, about how much of it is roleplaying, and about how much of it is true-blue hypnosis? Because I don't want to end up believing it's real only to find out the wool was pulled over my eyes cuz of my gullibility.

Edit: Changed the title from 'Curiosity' based on recommendation from the user directly below.
Probably should change the title to be more specific about your curiosity.
you know, it may just be my personal bias (ahem, hypnotist, ahem), but yes, hypnosis is actually a thing. Now I can't speak about the authenticity of chat logs, since without context you can only really guess, but chat based hypnosis is certainly possible
I grapple with this from time to time, being a neurotic mess myself (enough so that I'm often surprised I have enough self-confidence to even be an amateur 'tist).

Personally I won't ever know for 100% sure that my sub's gone under unless I could look right into their eyes once I trigger them and watch their pupils dilate. So part of the confidence necessary for being a good 'tist is not only having faith in your abilities, but faith in your partner to not lead you on.

A professional 'tist will probably have some better advice, but complex triggers can give you plenty of confidence that your sub is truly under. For example, instill in them a list of trigger words and various reactions to hearing them: 'when you hear the word 'apple,' you will do ten jumping jacks and not realize why you are doing them.' I give them 5-10 of these, then snap them out and have a normal conversation into which I slowly work the trigger words naturally into whatever I'm saying. If they're really under, it'll work like a charm and you'll both have a lot of fun. If they're faking or just roleplaying, you'll probably start to see them miss triggers and / or get them wrong. If that's the case, it's possible they might have exceptionally good memories, and it's also possible that they're scribbling down notes so they don't forget. But then you have to ask yourself: just how much fun and enjoyment can they actually be having on their end if they're going that far just to maintain the ruse / illusion?
Mezzberry said:
I grapple with this from time to time, being a neurotic mess myself (enough so that I'm often surprised I have enough self-confidence to even be an amateur 'tist).

Personally I won't ever know for 100% sure that my sub's gone under unless I could look right into their eyes once I trigger them and watch their pupils dilate. So part of the confidence necessary for being a good 'tist is not only having faith in your abilities, but faith in your partner to not lead you on.

A professional 'tist will probably have some better advice, but complex triggers can give you plenty of confidence that your sub is truly under. For example, instill in them a list of trigger words and various reactions to hearing them: 'when you hear the word 'apple,' you will do ten jumping jacks and not realize why you are doing them.' I give them 5-10 of these, then snap them out and have a normal conversation into which I slowly work the trigger words naturally into whatever I'm saying. If they're really under, it'll work like a charm and you'll both have a lot of fun. If they're faking or just roleplaying, you'll probably start to see them miss triggers and / or get them wrong. If that's the case, it's possible they might have exceptionally good memories, and it's also possible that they're scribbling down notes so they don't forget. But then you have to ask yourself: just how much fun and enjoyment can they actually be having on their end if they're going that far just to maintain the ruse / illusion?
Huh... I've never actually been around a hypnotized person before but do their pupils really dilate? I've seen it drawn before but never seen it in real life. Why does that happen?

Also, yes! Another person who acknowledges how great complex triggers can be! You said that you have experience so I want to ask you a question; can the complexity of a trigger ruin a trance? I mean besides from the obvious (insert near-impossible task here), does the intelligence of the subject affect how complex a trigger they can handle?
As a hypnoslut who is used more than daily?

Pretty sure it's a thing.
PiquedInterest said:
So, gotta ask, cuz even though I love the idea of hypnotism being a thing, I'm still a mite bit leery of it. In the hypnosis chat logs, about how much of it is roleplaying, and about how much of it is true-blue hypnosis? Because I don't want to end up believing it's real only to find out the wool was pulled over my eyes cuz of my gullibility.

Edit: Changed the title from 'Curiosity' based on recommendation from the user directly below.
As far as a professionally trained hypnotist I talk to frequently, spoiler about only 20% of people can go into a hypnotic state easily enough that in one session you can set some triggers and see the results as Mezzberry said. Plenty others can be hypnotized but it's not as easy and you can't get huge results quickly. Your sample pool in the hypnohub is going to be skewed as here as, well, everyone here is interested in mind control so people who are more susceptible too it are more likely to be here.

If your question is "is it possibly to be hypnotized over text? Whether it be roleplaying subconsciously or legitimate?" that works but is much harder as the physical signs someone is entering a hypnotic state simply can't be seen when talking to someone over text. It's possible to, it's harder than in person, and it could be roleplay or legitimate.

Now, if your question is the hotly debated "is it real or is it just roleplaying?" anyone roleplaying unconsciously would not be able to meaningfully tell you if they were or were not really hypnotized. Which makes it indistinguishable from someone who was legitimately hypnotized. Current science is split on this.
averageguy17 said:
Huh... I've never actually been around a hypnotized person before but do their pupils really dilate? I've seen it drawn before but never seen it in real life. Why does that happen?
Haven't yet been blessed with hypnotizing someone in-life (just over the internet through text and voice), but according to my hypno sensei, this does happen. The eyes also tend to become fixed and the whole head is more likely to move in order to look at something. And they become more watery and reflective - which is why I've never gotten behind the 'empty eyes' trend and people thinking eye glistens =/= hypno, since it turned out to be counter to reality.

Also, yes! Another person who acknowledges how great complex triggers can be! You said that you have experience so I want to ask you a question; can the complexity of a trigger ruin a trance? I mean besides from the obvious (insert near-impossible task here), does the intelligence of the subject affect how complex a trigger they can handle?
Well, any time I give hypnosis advice I'm always expecting an actual professional to swoop in and knock me upside the head ^^ I'm an amateur who's only interest in real hypnotism is erotica, so take anything I say with a grain of salt.

But my general rule of thumb when giving any suggestions, commands, triggers, what have you is to ask myself 'will this make the sub stop and think?' The more they have to actively get their brain-gears spinning, the more it will pull them out of a trance and closer to consciousness. So you can make a trigger as complicated as you want as long as everything you are saying is easily understandable and / or familiar to the sub. I can say something like 'whenever you hear the word 'apple,' do 10 jumping jacks' because the sub is already very familiar with both the word 'apple' and how to do a jumping jack. A big key to successful hypnosis is being able to tell a story as descriptively as possible, so think of it like having a person read a book you wrote - the better it flows and easier to understand, the more your reader will get immersed in it, but if you're using obscure words, unfamiliar references, run-on sentences, etc you're going to lose them.

Along these same lines, like kirux said, text hypnosis is indeed possible and under the right circumstances can be just as satisfying as voicework. But it's inherently more difficult for the sub, because they still have to use their hands to type responses and focus their eyes to read the 'tist's words, which will take them at least slightly out of trance. With voice chat, they just have to hear and respond, allowing them to get fully immersed.

Like anything, it helps if you already have experience with your sub and are in-tune to their personalities and preferences. I'm not really big on randomly meeting people and jumping right into the hypno-sack. I prefer having a smaller group of devoted friends to play with, and at this point I'm pretty in-tune with the things they like and don't like, and can give them a good hypno experience. So in addition to the previous reasons, I'm not the best person for advice on how to knock out strangers on Omegle or wherever ^^;
Monochrome said:
it's fake
funny meme
Kalyrian said:
funny meme
memes aren't funny
Monochrome said:
memes aren't funny
Same goes for puns.
Imasuky said:
Same goes for puns.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
VioletRiot said:
YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
When I'm dead. And I will have you know my hate for puns is well justified...I am a true pun master. I can hold entire conversations in pun form..So I know how awful they can get.
as a tist, and one of the people who gives pink a good time, i can say its real.
I'm pretty sure hypnosis is definitely a thing!
To put it simply...

spoiler It's all in the mind!
Depends on who you ask, the answer varies from "completely genuine" to "entirely placebo".
eldomtom2 said:
Depends on who you ask, the answer varies from "completely genuine" to "entirely placebo".
what's the differance there though? If one is 'real' and the other is created by the mind, but the 'real' thing is also just created by the mind, what's the differance between 'genuine' and placebo.
Mahyma said:
what's the differance there though? If one is 'real' and the other is created by the mind, but the 'real' thing is also just created by the mind, what's the differance between 'genuine' and placebo.
For a subject eagerly seeking hypnosis (like Pink)? I don't think there really is a meaningful difference. Whether the actions guide them into a state or help them think themselves into the state seems nearly equal to me. But this thread dances around another question: what about people not eagerly seeking it? And I'm not talking non-consensual, because that's just bunk. But if I go to a hypnosis show because my partner thought it sounded fun, that doesn't mean I'm actively seeking hypnosis. There's no placebo there for me; I'm not actively working to think myself into an altered state. So how likely am I to cluck like a chicken on-stage if called? Some research says "never", others say "maybe if the hypnotist is good". And in my mind THAT is what the difference is.
magnificentmesmer said:
if I go to a hypnosis show because my partner thought it sounded fun, that doesn't mean I'm actively seeking hypnosis.There's no placebo there for me
Except there is, the Placebo effect doens't require you want it to work, only that you're expecting it to.
PiquedInterest said:
So, gotta ask, cuz even though I love the idea of hypnotism being a thing, I'm still a mite bit leery of it. In the hypnosis chat logs, about how much of it is roleplaying, and about how much of it is true-blue hypnosis? Because I don't want to end up believing it's real only to find out the wool was pulled over my eyes cuz of my gullibility.

Edit: Changed the title from 'Curiosity' based on recommendation from the user directly below.
All of hypnosis is role-playing. What people call "real" hypnosis is when the role-playing has gotten to the point that the person has completely forgotten that they're role-playing. To be hypnotized, you have to be able to convince yourself that something is happening even though it actually isn't.

Mezzberry said:
If they're faking or just roleplaying, you'll probably start to see them miss triggers and / or get them wrong. If that's the case, it's possible they might have exceptionally good memories, and it's also possible that they're scribbling down notes so they don't forget. But then you have to ask yourself: just how much fun and enjoyment can they actually be having on their end if they're going that far just to maintain the ruse / illusion?
Except the ruse/illusion is the whole point. A subject knows that they don't have to do jumping jacks when you say the word apple, but they do it anyway, because they want to believe they have to. Even if the sub does the jumping jacks as soon as you say the trigger, you can't expect that that person just got a sudden impulse to do jumping jacks and then did them without realizing. They had to think about it at least a little first.

Hypnosis isn't "real" necessarily, but it's as real as the subject is able/willing to make it seem.
Yuu-chan said:
All of hypnosis is role-playing. What people call "real" hypnosis is when the role-playing has gotten to the point that the person has completely forgotten that they're role-playing. To be hypnotized, you have to be able to convince yourself that something is happening even though it actually isn't.

Except the ruse/illusion is the whole point. A subject knows that they don't have to do jumping jacks when you say the word apple, but they do it anyway, because they want to believe they have to. Even if the sub does the jumping jacks as soon as you say the trigger, you can't expect that that person just got a sudden impulse to do jumping jacks and then did them without realizing. They had to think about it at least a little first.

Hypnosis isn't "real" necessarily, but it's as real as the subject is able/willing to make it seem.
i can understand and respect your view on the matter
Yuu-chan said:
All of hypnosis is role-playing. What people call "real" hypnosis is when the role-playing has gotten to the point that the person has completely forgotten that they're role-playing. To be hypnotized, you have to be able to convince yourself that something is happening even though it actually isn't.

Except the ruse/illusion is the whole point. A subject knows that they don't have to do jumping jacks when you say the word apple, but they do it anyway, because they want to believe they have to. Even if the sub does the jumping jacks as soon as you say the trigger, you can't expect that that person just got a sudden impulse to do jumping jacks and then did them without realizing. They had to think about it at least a little first.

Hypnosis isn't "real" necessarily, but it's as real as the subject is able/willing to make it seem.
Then I applaud my subs for the Oscar-worthy lengths to which they've gone in order to fake it over the last year or so. Particularly the nerve-rattling emotional backlash I once triggered in my first sub when I made a very stupid rookie mistake, and how I had to explain to her what had happened and promise that I wouldn't make that mistake again, since she'd had little to no memory of what had transpired after I snapped her out. I can only imagine how well she got off by roleplaying all the way through that one.
Mezzberry said:
Then I applaud my subs for the Oscar-worthy lengths to which they've gone in order to fake it over the last year or so. Particularly the nerve-rattling emotional backlash I once triggered in my first sub when I made a very stupid rookie mistake, and how I had to explain to her what had happened and promise that I wouldn't make that mistake again, since she'd had little to no memory of what had transpired after I snapped her out. I can only imagine how well she got off by roleplaying all the way through that one.
Sounds pretty fun compared to any hypnosis sessions I've ever had, which were pretty much just me sitting there trying to guess what response my 'tist wanted from me. Hypnosis has unfortunately never done a thing to me... I honestly wish I could do memory play and all that neat stuff.
Yuu-chan said:
Sounds pretty fun compared to any hypnosis sessions I've ever had, which were pretty much just me sitting there trying to guess what response my 'tist wanted from me. Hypnosis has unfortunately never done a thing to me... I honestly wish I could do memory play and all that neat stuff.
some people are naturally resistant to some method (yours truly is to a lot). you just need to find the right method that works
Let's be honest here. Is Hypnotism all hocus-pocus or is it valid?

Hypnotism is entirely valid. It is, however, not magic. If you've ever meditated or zoned out while watching a fireplace that's the same sort of state that hypnotists are looking for. Not identical but close cousins.

Hypnosis used for therapeutic reasons is entirely valid, real, and works. You are not here for therapy, however (and if you are you shouldn't be). You're here looking to either mindlessly relax or to get off. Hypnosis is real but has real limits. It can't make you do things you don't want to do and it can't change who you are as a person. It's a state of mind and not one as powerful as people think.

If you're looking to get off there's always going to be an aspect of playing into your role. That's why pre-hypnosis communication and knowing what you want is so important. Many people are very unsatisfied with the hypnosis they get because, as subs, they're afraid to express what they want. But you NEED to express what you want to get the best experience.

Do you just want a trance and the feeling of emptiness? Express that desire to your 'tist and find one that will do that for you. Are you looking to explore your limits? Look for a 'tist that has a variety of suggestions and offers them to you before you're hypnotized so you get the choice of what to try out. Are you looking to be turned into a mindless drooling sex slave and forced to do depraved things? You'd best express that pretty clearly to your 'tist as well.

But most importantly make it clear. "I want real hypnosis." "I want roleplay." Then understand after you've established which one you want that you yourself hold to the type of experience you want. If you don't know, try things!

And finally remember this above all else: Hypnosis can't make you do anything you don't want to do but people in abusive relationships absolutely can. Treat your online hypnosis like any real hookup and always be prepared for someone to be worse than they first seem. Look for someone you like and trust. The best way for someone to get into your head is to let them get into your head and with that as a given establishing trust in a fetish that's all about that is vitally important.

For those unsure about trying real hypnosis (or for anyone who has trouble getting into a trance) I'd suggest trying "Guided Relaxation" files. It's literally just someone guiding you through the process of relaxing and then taking you through some vivid mental imagery. There's no expectation of trance, more like relaxing with storytime.

Whatever you do, whatever your expectations, take care of yourself and above all else, have fun!
Yuu-chan said:
Sounds pretty fun compared to any hypnosis sessions I've ever had, which were pretty much just me sitting there trying to guess what response my 'tist wanted from me. Hypnosis has unfortunately never done a thing to me... I honestly wish I could do memory play and all that neat stuff.
I don't know how true this is, but I read somewhere that about 5-10% of the population has an (uncontrollable and subconscious) resistance to going into trance-like states. If you never catch yourself day-dreaming or "missing the freeway exit" as said earlier, you may be in that group.
magnificentmesmer said:
I don't know how true this is, but I read somewhere that about 5-10% of the population has an (uncontrollable and subconscious) resistance to going into trance-like states. If you never catch yourself day-dreaming or "missing the freeway exit" as said earlier, you may be in that group.
To quote Tim Curry from Clue "That is both true, and misleading." There are people out there who are very resistant to being hypnotized in a formal setting. Usually because they are either uncomfortable or have some kind of social faux pa about being hypnotized. The one I hear alot is "I am too smart to be hypnotized." which is hilarious since the exact opposite is true, the smarter you are the better the hypnotic subject you are. But in a situation where they were comfortable, and agreeable and where the hypnotist had done the proper ground work they would go into hypnosis just like anyone else.

the line about never missing the freeway exit is funny because to be in a state of focus about what your doing (like driving) to the point where you never miss your freeway exit would be pretty much in and of itself a state of trance.

To answer the main question about hypnosis, yes hypnosis is real. It's a brain state that we all enter about 10 times a day and never realize it. Can you be hypnotized? yes, assuming the right conditions and circumstances that are unique to you are met. Is hypnosis in text real, yes, but doesn't work well for everyone.

also hello HypnoHub =c) I'm new.

Also Cypress_Z's post was probably the perfect reply i couldn't have said it better myself.
Yuu-chan said:
Sounds pretty fun compared to any hypnosis sessions I've ever had, which were pretty much just me sitting there trying to guess what response my 'tist wanted from me. Hypnosis has unfortunately never done a thing to me... I honestly wish I could do memory play and all that neat stuff.
I used to be really resistant to trance 'cause I'm a daydreamer and my mind wanders a lot, but it's something I try to practice mindfully every time I have a session with a hypnotist. Some folks have told me I'm a good subject because I try to communicate before and during trance, and even over text it feels easier when I do my part to establish that rapport.

I've never had specific/intense hypnotic amnesia (though someone *did* get me to blank out my name once and it was really cool) but that's something I chalk up more to the fact that I've never really had an extended relationship with a hypnotist than my inability. Memory play is one of my biggest fantasies though, and I really do believe I could get there with someone I trusted and practiced with. Maybe someday~

cypress_z said:
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This is a real good post btw (also I like yr av)