Blitz_Habanera said:
Allllso. Word on Reddit is that EA has removed the refund option from their website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

also suky fuck you with the jumpscare at the end of that thing
Pinkanator said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

also suky fuck you with the jumpscare at the end of that thing
I didn't actually watch it. Just looked up Evil Laugh and posted the first one I found.
LOL so... EA apparently wasn't done screwing people over.

While they lowered the price to unlock heroes by 75%...

They also lowered the amount of the credits you earn by playing the single player campaign by 75% as well!

Before, you would earn 20k in credits upon completion. Now you only earn 5k.

It just doesn't stop with them.
Dystopia69 said:
LOL so... EA apparently wasn't done screwing people over.

While they lowered the price to unlock heroes by 75%...

They also lowered the amount of the credits you earn by playing the single player campaign by 75% as well!

Before, you would earn 20k in credits upon completion. Now you only earn 5k.

It just doesn't stop with them.
Well as I stated in an earlier post, that lowering was in response to Iden Versio's price being lowered. She originally costed 20,000 but now she only costs five. So basically they gave you that payout so you could unlock her. You don't have to use it on that but that's the reason.
Which was really not hard to figure out by oneself. I thought as much when I saw the new price for Iden. Still, they could have just made her a direct unlock, not being able to get without playing the campaign. They probably wanted to give players the option to unlock her however they want and this is the way it backfired.

Tomorrows AMA will probably be quite interesting. Well timed PR one may think, but it could backfire a lot. According to Internet sources (which are by no means reliable) 70k pre-orders were canceled yesterday, which made them remove the button, so you can only go through customer support (and queues aren't quick, so you'll have to wait a bit until someone talks to you) if you want to cancel. Smart from a Business standpoint, not so smart from a PR standpoint.

There are tons of Gaming Reddits that are currently paying respect to the Battlefront Reddit, but the fight isn't over. There is a need to push back so hard that companies will think twice in the future if lootboxes that influence gameplay are the way to go.

Also, where the fuck are boosters? It would be such a perfect thing to implement an xp/credit booster once the progression time is reduced from 4500 hours to something a bit more manageable. Boosters aren't bad, because they do not change the gameplay and you actually still need to play to progress. Boosters and cosmetics are about the only thing I would pay for in such a game ...
More bad info regarding EA's Development of BF2.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7chkx3/you_get_a_total_of_32400_credits_from_challenges/

For reference. Vader and Luke costs 15k credits now.

Also to put in reference this is a marketing tactic. It still takes ungodly amounts of time to unlock everything in game, but by frontloading it with an even more unreasonable amount of time, they make you feel as if they care or you are winning when in fact this is the amount they had planned on.
Good old-fashioned artificial padding techniques. TO think I was considering grabbing this game for the single-player, apparently that's disappointing too...
Nightington said:
Good old-fashioned artificial padding techniques. TO think I was considering grabbing this game for the single-player, apparently that's disappointing too...
DICE does not make good Single Player games. Their only successes are the Bad Company games and Mirror's Edge. That's it. There's a reason why they stick to multiplayer only.
Already avoided 90% of EA games, with BioWare games being my only exception (Though Andromeda changed even that for me) but this just reminds me not to touch their games.

This is the way progression works. When you accept "Just cosmetic" Microtransactions in games, you give AAA companies an inch, and because they were able to do that they could push further and see what they could get away with. Now EA and WB decided lootboxes that give you actual in game benefits purchased with real money in a 60 dollar game is perfectly acceptable.

There's a backlash now, but the moment people start getting apathetic, the moment they "get sick of hearing people complain about this stuff" then this is going to be yet another norm.

Remember when Microtransactions in 60 dollar games was considered utterly enraging and ludicrous? Remember when Dead Space 3 was ripped apart for that stuff? Well people got sick of hearing people complain, and now that's a common practice... Once people get tired of hearing these complaints and apathy sets in, this is going to become a common thing in AAA games as well.

It's why I still don't buy 10-60 dollar games with microtransactions in them. And why EA isn't getting my money for a long time...

In short... Fuck EA and fuck the AAA publishers that constantly try to pull this bullshit.
shotgungunshot said:
Already avoided 90% of EA games, with BioWare games being my only exception (Though Andromeda changed even that for me) but this just reminds me not to touch their games.

This is the way progression works. When you accept "Just cosmetic" Microtransactions in games, you give AAA companies an inch, and because they were able to do that they could push further and see what they could get away with. Now EA and WB decided lootboxes that give you actual in game benefits purchased with real money in a 60 dollar game is perfectly acceptable.

There's a backlash now, but the moment people start getting apathetic, the moment they "get sick of hearing people complain about this stuff" then this is going to be yet another norm.

Remember when Microtransactions in 60 dollar games was considered utterly enraging and ludicrous? Remember when Dead Space 3 was ripped apart for that stuff? Well people got sick of hearing people complain, and now that's a common practice... Once people get tired of hearing these complaints and apathy sets in, this is going to become a common thing in AAA games as well.

It's why I still don't buy 10-60 dollar games with microtransactions in them. And why EA isn't getting my money for a long time...

In short... Fuck EA and fuck the AAA publishers that constantly try to pull this bullshit.
Honestly Andromeda was nowhere NEAR as bad as people say, but that's a different topic. What sucks about that, though, is that EA then pretty much ripped BW apart so we won't really be getting any more single player stuff from them after the next Dragon Age comes out.

As far as microtransactions go though, I do think there is SOME place for them as long as they're done properly.

For example, I play Gwent. A lot. Probably too much. The game is free, and everything is unlockable from the get-go. However you can pay for "Kegs" which give you cards. Now, this is a free card game. And you can get Kegs regularly (and fairly easily) but paying for these kegs is essentially a way of supporting a free game. Similarly, there are Shark Cards for GTA which is how they can afford to give away so much free DLC. So there are benefits to them existing.

That said, things that are "pay to win", I feel, will never be truly accepted. Most players don't want to buy a $60 game, then spend another $60 to skip the gameplay. Sure, there are SOME of those people but I feel that will never be the majority.

As far as Dead Space is concerned, the original outrage was that this was a new thing and people were concerned it would lock content behind a paywall, which it didn't. Once people realized that they were fine with it, though the damage had already been done with the initial backlash.

Honestly, microtransactions aren't necessarily bad. Especially not as bad as people say, but you do get the occasional assholes like EA who try to exploit players with them by making content neigh unattainable and expecting you to pay 2X the game's retail value in order to get content that SHOULD be free, or more easily unlockable than spending a few thousand hours playing the game, especially since EA will probably release a "Battlefront 3" within the next year...
BOOOOYCOTT! BOOOOYYYCOTT!!
Mindcollector13 said:
Honestly Andromeda was nowhere NEAR as bad as people say, but that's a different topic. What sucks about that, though, is that EA then pretty much ripped BW apart so we won't really be getting any more single player stuff from them after the next Dragon Age comes out.

As far as microtransactions go though, I do think there is SOME place for them as long as they're done properly.

For example, I play Gwent. A lot. Probably too much. The game is free, and everything is unlockable from the get-go. However you can pay for "Kegs" which give you cards. Now, this is a free card game. And you can get Kegs regularly (and fairly easily) but paying for these kegs is essentially a way of supporting a free game. Similarly, there are Shark Cards for GTA which is how they can afford to give away so much free DLC. So there are benefits to them existing.

That said, things that are "pay to win", I feel, will never be truly accepted. Most players don't want to buy a $60 game, then spend another $60 to skip the gameplay. Sure, there are SOME of those people but I feel that will never be the majority.

As far as Dead Space is concerned, the original outrage was that this was a new thing and people were concerned it would lock content behind a paywall, which it didn't. Once people realized that they were fine with it, though the damage had already been done with the initial backlash.

Honestly, microtransactions aren't necessarily bad. Especially not as bad as people say, but you do get the occasional assholes like EA who try to exploit players with them by making content neigh unattainable and expecting you to pay 2X the game's retail value in order to get content that SHOULD be free, or more easily unlockable than spending a few thousand hours playing the game, especially since EA will probably release a "Battlefront 3" within the next year...
There's a thing where there are microtransactions in a F2P game and microtransactions in an already paid game though....while the Gwent devs need the money to maintain their FREE game.
EA already get their part of the money when you buy the game, there is no reason for microtransactions at all in a paid game (even Rockstar's cashcards are very debatable as they don't even host the servers themselves)

Mindcollector13 said: EA will probably release a "Battlefront 3" within the next year...
You can bet your wallet that they won't stop coming !
Mindcollector13 said:
there are Shark Cards for GTA which is how they can afford to give away so much free DLC. So there are benefits to them existing.
except the part where it meant we got no single player dlc, it's practically impossible to get anywhere without buying any, unless you have connections with someone else at the top, the president says they're not charging ENOUGH, try to shut down single player mods so they can weasel you into the online, and plan to put microtransactions into every other game going forward.
Pinkanator said:
except the part where it meant we got no single player dlc, it's practically impossible to get anywhere without buying any, unless you have connections with someone else at the top, the president says they're not charging ENOUGH, try to shut down single player mods so they can weasel you into the online, and plan to put microtransactions into every other game going forward.
All this is the fault of 2K games, not Rockstar.
Anon_3.141 said:
All this is the fault of 2K games, not Rockstar.
never said it was. doesn't matter where the cancer is growing, it needs to be cut out. with like, a spork.
Pinkanator said:
except the part where it meant we got no single player dlc, it's practically impossible to get anywhere without buying any, unless you have connections with someone else at the top, the president says they're not charging ENOUGH, try to shut down single player mods so they can weasel you into the online, and plan to put microtransactions into every other game going forward.
I'm not sure where you got this information...

They *did* confirm Story DLC around launch and then went back on that with the excuse "We never said that" but that doesn't necessarily relate to Shark Cards.

As well, I have never paid for a shark card. Same goes for everyone I play with. We all have more in-game money than we know what to do with and haven't played since the last big Update, and even then hadn't played *regularly* since Heists.

Couple that with the fact that each big update gives you about $400,000 for just downloading and signing in to GTA Online and... Shark Cards become unnecessary. That is, unless you blew tens of millions on the useless Yachts.

Though, the cutting out mods thing *is* bullshit but that's more on Bethesda's front at this point.
Somebody raised enough hell apparently.

"Belgium is looking to investigate EA's Battlefront 2 for unlicensed gambling. If found guilty they can be fined up to several hundred thousand dollars."

https://imgur.com/gallery/FJeR6Sv
Blitz_Habanera said:
Somebody raised enough hell apparently.

"Belgium is looking to investigate EA's Battlefront 2 for unlicensed gambling. If found guilty they can be fined up to several hundred thousand dollars."

https://imgur.com/gallery/FJeR6Sv
Yay!
I'll probably get this game. Lot of angry nerds who aren't even sure what they're upset over because of the news about the Reddit comment. Everyone who actually plays it says the progression system feels pretty fair (more rewarding than Destiny 2, in particular) in its current state. Gunplay looks pretty interesting, dogfighting looks better than the original. Heroes seem more fun to play than they did in the original as well. DICE game, so of course it's super polished. Way I see it, it's probably pretty fun; if I never play long enough to max out my account, so what? If some whales pay to max out theirs, whatever. It's a game with a high TTK, so it's not like the 2.5% increases you get between card levels 3 and 4 are going to outweigh any significant difference in strategic ability.
akaece said:
I'll probably get this game. Lot of angry nerds who aren't even sure what they're upset over because of the news about the Reddit comment. Everyone who actually plays it says the progression system feels pretty fair (more rewarding than Destiny 2, in particular) in its current state.
I am not gonna tell you not to get it, but I played it and the system feels not fair. That comes from someone who pulled 1500h into Warframe because the progression was just fun in that game. It's not in BF2 and the worst part is while you are progressing, you get constantly owned by people with better equip. It makes quite a bit of a difference. And these people will still progress faster than you when you reach where they are, 80h down the line.

The Starfighter is a lot of fun, but it isn't rare that I get killed by people having Grade 3 and Grade 4 Starcards. Before I can even take a single shot at them. They fire faster, they do more damage and worst of all, they turn faster, which makes you unable to catch them once they know you are there.

akaece said:
Gunplay looks pretty interesting, dogfighting looks better than the original. Heroes seem more fun to play than they did in the original as well. DICE game, so of course it's super polished. Way I see it, it's probably pretty fun; if I never play long enough to max out my account, so what? If some whales pay to max out theirs, whatever.
Gunplay is using Vanguard and one-hit kill anything. That is how most players currently play and it is highly effective. Heroes die way faster and are fun, but chances are you get to play them either never or rarely - because other people with better equipment kill you and you won't rack up the points for them. I am not against whales having their fun by paying, but I don't think they should get any advantage. Their advantage should be to look cool and maybe buy a booster which grants them faster rank progression.

akaece said:
It's a game with a high TTK, so it's not like the 2.5% increases you get between card levels 3 and 4 are going to outweigh any significant difference in strategic ability.
On paper and by itself, no, but it takes a while for a normal player to reach Grade 3 and from Grade 3 to 4 it takes about 24h of constant farming to open enough crates to get ONE card from 3 to 4. Also, sorry to disappoint you, most maps have little to no tactical component and there is no squad system to coordinate between team members so it ends up mostly rushing things down or you go on a one man rampage if you are good enough. Chances are however, that you die extremely fast. Even playing with friends you won't spawn next to each other, you just get a green triangle on the map so you can see where your friends currently are.

And if you want to see how much of a difference it can make having the star cards, well, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7TmXpCJI8s

Again, buy it if you are fine with the way the progression works. For me personally, there were so many other games released in the past 2 months, I am good. :)

Btw, disclaimer - I used the Origin Access to play 10h of the game for free, I did not buy it. If you are unsure, at least buy Origin Access for 4$ and check it out first. If you don't like it, you save 60$, if you do, you get a 10% discount so you still save 6$ on the purchase, so overall still have the game 2$ cheaper. Oh and your progress carries over if you chose to purchase it. Origin Access saved me 60$ on this game and 60$ on Andromeda so far.
akaece said:
Lot of angry nerds who aren't even sure what they're upset over because of the news about the Reddit comment. [...] Way I see it, it's probably pretty fun; if I never play long enough to max out my account, so what?
To me, someone who has no feelings towards the game whatsoever, I think the "so what" is that this is a medium that already has issues with being associated with and/or outright condoning questionable behaviors, and something like what Battlefront is doing doesn't help things, especially since it's a Star Wars game.
Ogodei-Khan said:
One step forward (in terms of Battlefront II being much more content rich than Battlefront), two steps back.
Even less. While it has more content than the "modern" Battlefront, it has less and is more clumsily made than the original Battlefront II.
HypnoMangaEditor said:
Btw, disclaimer - I used the Origin Access to play 10h of the game for free, I did not buy it. If you are unsure, at least buy Origin Access for 4$ and check it out first.
Ah, nice, didn't know about that!
If you have never used it, you might even get a week of it for free as a trial and you can cancel any time. If you don't like it, you got some time to test out the selection of other games for free. Andromeda is in their library as well so you COULD play the "not bad" multiplayer of Mass Effect Andromeda or check out the story. Or play Mirror's Edge, which was already mentioned above - or Dead Space, Dragon Age or, my advice, This War of Mine, which has exceptional narrative and tells people about survival in a warzone, including making morally questionable decisions (steal medication from old people to help stay your own little group alive? What if they attack you when you take it? Do you run away? Do you defend yourself and kill them?).

EA may pull one or the other BS with their payment models and "payed demos" aren't really that customer friendly, but at least you got the option to check out their games before dropping 60$ and regret it. Don't take our word or anyone else's and check it out yourself.
Yeah, it's pretty nice; they even have a "cancel anytime here" link right when you finish paying, which I used. Will give the trial a shot later.
the only games i play that have microtrans in them is for honor [ps4] and shadowverse [ on my phone]
and well in for honors case at least the money i spend is going to ubi and not ea also its a more skill based game then what i'm seeing from battlefront 2.
Argonis said:
the only games i play that have microtrans in them is for honor [ps4] and shadowverse [ on my phone]
and well in for honors case at least the money i spend is going to ubi and not ea also its a more skill based game then what i'm seeing from battlefront 2.
Also, Shadowverse is quite a bit smaller than Hearthstone, which is the closest thing that comes to mind, and is a lot more generous with its content.