where the patreon at?
tried to view https://patreon.com/booru today and it says "This page is under review.", ne1 know what happened?
The patreon got suspended.
Guess when patreon were talking about not allowing fetish content on the site they meant it.

slayerduck is currently looking into some alternatives.
-_-

I don't understand this obsession with treating pornography so differently from other adult-only content. About 1/6 of the content/media stuff I want to donate to someday if I somehow find the means is pornographic and it seemed like finally Patreon was not going to make a big fucking deal about it.
greasyi said:
-_-

I don't understand this obsession with treating pornography so differently from other adult-only content. About 1/6 of the content/media stuff I want to donate to someday if I somehow find the means is pornographic and it seemed like finally Patreon was not going to make a big fucking deal about it.
It was too good to be true so Patreon staff started to take action
Patreon is currently a shitshow.

Despite the amount of creaters being pornigraphic creators, they're doing this shit.

They're being stupid and suicidal.
the hub patreon is down
next will be you!
[points to all the artists patreons]
*evil smile*
What is patreon's beef with not allowing fetish sites? Is there a legitimate reason or do they just not want to be a part of something "pornographic"? I do hope Slayer is able to find an alternative easily.

Also what happens to those who have already donated to the Patreon before it went down? Will they get they money back or what?
It's strange, because I donate to Sleepymaid, whose work is most definitely NSFW, and I'm guessing there's at the very least a large proportion of the creators who make lewd material as well. I suppose Patreon has a weird logic about larger projects like entire websites, as opposed to individuals creating fetish material, but still, it makes absolutely no sense to me.

I remember when Google tried to take down all the NSFW blogs on Blogspot, and pretty much everyone's reaction was fuck you, don't take my porn!

Which, honestly, is normal to me. Fetish is something that's been taboo for so long, and is considered pretty much a no-no in most social situations - but this is the Internet we're talking about. Porn is probably the main source of transactions and traffic on it, and if the companies can't adapt to that market, that's on them.
averageguy17 said:
What is patreon's beef with not allowing fetish sites? Is there a legitimate reason or do they just not want to be a part of something "pornographic"?
My vague impression is: Both porn and Patreon are things that people will spend money on that they later realize they didn't want to spend - maybe because they were thinking with their dick at the time, maybe because they wanted to be generous until the bill came in, maybe because the person paying the credit card bill is not the one who made purchase/pledge, maybe they forgot that they purchased the thing, maybe they don't *want* to remember that they purchased the thing, etc..

So, whether legitimately or not, they file a chargeback. And "chargeback", as I understand it, is how you spell "trouble" in the world of payment processing. And if porn has a problem with chargebacks, and Patreon has a problem with chargebacks, then... well, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of overlap between people filing chargebacks on porn purchases and ones filing them on Patreon payments! But it's probably not perfect overlap, so on the margin, having to deal with *both* problems at the same time doesn't really seem like a profitable deal to payment processors.

Anyway, that's my impression. I wish I had something to back it up with, but it's hard to even google up general treatments of this problem - most of what you'll find is people talking about their personal stories, complaints about how someone involved is being horribly greedy, and other grassroot-level stuff that makes it really hard to get even a qualitative picture of the general situation. And finding statistics and hard numbers? You can basically only dream of that.
averageguy17 said:
What is patreon's beef with not allowing fetish sites? Is there a legitimate reason or do they just not want to be a part of something "pornographic"? I do hope Slayer is able to find an alternative easily.

Also what happens to those who have already donated to the Patreon before it went down? Will they get they money back or what?
I'm guessing that it wasn't making them enough money to be worth the risk of someone raising a stink over it. The likelihood of Patreon (or any company whose business involves skimming off the top of your business' revenue - and if you're offering "perks" that's what your Patreon is, a business operating to generate a profit) going after you for ToS violations is inversely proportional to how big their 25% share of your income is. This is why Breeding Season didn't get banned despite being blatant furry inflation porn, they made enough money that Patreon looked the other way.

I'd personally recommend Liberapay (https://liberapay.org/) as an alternative to Patreon for anyone who is afraid of getting hit by this. You get more money (Liberapay is a non-profit, so transaction fees are limited to whatever the payment processor and the pledger's bank charges) and the only "downside" is that you can't offer products ("perks") as direct compensation for donating. There's also accepting cryptocurrency, which has no nosy middlemen and can be exchanged directly for things like domain registration and VPN time.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

What is likely happening is that Patreon is being super-reactive, like any other large business. They get dicta by the people who control the cash flow (Point of Sale vendor, banks, investors, et al) stating that they need to crack down on adult content that can get them in trouble with law enforcement, and since there's no way to efficiently hand-comb through every single campaign, they're either working via Patron-generated reports or keyword searches for the most obvious shit. If one particular project is staying up, it's likely because not enough people snitched on them. Patreon can't deal with problems they don't know about.

It sucks that the Patreon is down, but you can't be surprised, and to be candid, those on here who seem to be the most indignant about it also come off as the most Pollyannish about what this site actually is.
Argonis said:
The patreon got suspended.
Guess when patreon were talking about not allowing fetish content on the site they meant it.

slayerduck is currently looking into some alternatives.
hatreon my friend
endgame said:
hatreon my friend
This would be hilarious.
endgame said:
hatreon my friend
You know its funny i actually suggested that to him and mindwipe is all "could they have chosen a more elitest name?" XD

but yeah it really sucks that its been taken down though we might be able to get it back but i'm not holding my breath for it not with what they announced they were doing, i even just became a patron too to support the site i like to go too. best we can do if look for another site that we can get support from.
The Booru patreon wasn't violating any rules to my knowledge, so it will probably be back up as soon as they're done reviewing it.
Argonis said:
You know its funny i actually suggested that to him and mindwipe is all "could they have chosen a more elitest name?" XD
Actually, I said "tryhard name". Sounds like it was made by the type of people who think hate groups are wrongly persecuted, so they decided to literally put "hate" in their name as a take-that.
Zermelane said:
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That's what I've heard, too. In the early days of the internet payment processors had a bad time dealing with porn. Lots of fraud and the like. So they just banned it outright. And since Patreon is using those payment processors (credit cards and PayPal), they're beholden to that ban as well.
What irks me is that a Patreon is superior to ads once it gets going by far. Bandwidth does cost money and nobody can really run a site for free.

Someone should set up a patreon for funding websites specifically sometime. "Keeping the digital lights on", or something.
PhaseTwo said:
I'd personally recommend Liberapay (https://liberapay.org/)
During the weekend i actually looked and contacted several!

Hatreon: Contacted them about API, they are working on one.

Stripe: Contacted them about adult support only as a donation, said they couldn't do it.

MakerSupport: Contacted them about API, they are working on one.

Liberapay: Someone already suggested me, i'll get in touch with them.

ko-fi.com: Seems to directly connect to paypal, would be pretty risky for adult afaik.
slayerduck said:
All the ads atm are run by a ad network exoclick, its the 4rd biggest network in the world. As if they would actually run illegal ads lmao. Even if they did run bad ads i serve like 20 mil ad impressions a day
Maybe contact exoclick and tell them Patreon is spreading rumors that they are hosting child porn ads maybe they can beat some sense into that Patreon staff
some bellends said:
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
pretty sure we should give up on patreon and this point with that, unless we want our entire site to just be the consenual hypnosis pool.
Pinkanator said:
pretty sure we should give up on patreon and this point with that, unless we want our entire site to just be the consenual hypnosis pool.
Actually, i was just going to remove every bit of information and links on the patreon itself and just call it Booru Development ;o
slayerduck said:
Actually, i was just going to remove every bit of information and links on the patreon itself and just call it Booru Development ;o
Sneaky. I like it
damn. i was gonna start contributing ((mainly to get the adverts for granny porn out of my goddamn face. seriously what the fuck))
cypress_z said:
What irks me is that a Patreon is superior to ads once it gets going by far. Bandwidth does cost money and nobody can really run a site for free.

Someone should set up a patreon for funding websites specifically sometime. "Keeping the digital lights on", or something.
This exists, and it's called Liberapay. It's the spiritual successor to an earlier service called Gratipay that was created as a tip jar for GitHub projects. Gratipay combusted because the founders failed at commerce law, but Liberapay seems rather more stable. A bunch of really cool dudes like archive.is and the Matrix project already use it to help people donate to their websites.

slayerduck said:
In addition to loli apparently we also have "ads that depict real instances of child exploitation". As you may know by looking at the ads that is absolutely bullshit.
You're being made an example of, the reasoning isn't supposed to make sense. (Though I'm pretty sure Patreon is run by people who honestly believe that anime is child exploitation, so that at least has an explanation.)

slayerduck said:
Actually, i was just going to remove every bit of information and links on the patreon itself and just call it Booru Development ;o
I'm just going to say that Fredrick Brennan tried this when the 8chan Patreon got taken down for the exact same reason (read: making the mods mad, but it was dressed up as "child exploitation" in a half-assed attempt to reduce the Stalin factor of the act.) It didn't work for him, and it won't work for you, especially since the ToS got amended after the original incident so the mods technically have the right to ban you at any time for any reason.
Got an email back from liberapay. Asked them if adult art is allowed and to mark accounts as supporters.

Hi,

Unfortunately our payment processor does not allow donations for adult websites, so if you got caught you would probably be banned by them.

It is currently forbidden to offer any kind of reward to patrons, and it's also very difficult because we don't let you see who they are.

Regards.
I'm open for suggestions because i ran out of options i found myself :<
slayerduck said:
I'm open for suggestions because i ran out of options i found myself :<
First, the "Booru Development :^)" trick will probably work on Liberapay, since Liberapay (and to a lesser extent MangoPay) doesn't have as much of an incentive to go after you specifically. Second, have you considered just... not offering people internet points for giving you money? I mean, I'd actually trust a site that didn't do that more, because I'd know they weren't likely to pull the "You must have a booru.org GOLD ACCOUNT to view this post, please type in your credit card number" trick. People who don't want ads will just install adblock like they always do, the ones who donated can just do it with a clear conscience.

Also, to anyone who's thinking of using ko-fi: don't. It's just a hook to get you to sign up for a PayPal account, which is bad and will ruin your life.
PhaseTwo said:
have you considered just... not offering people internet points for giving you money?
I just assumed many people would like the account upgrade to remove ads and such because group = e-penis and ads = shit
PhaseTwo said:
This would be hilarious.
im not joking, it exists
https://hatreon.net/
its down for repairs rn tho. ED uses it all the time
Until I read mindwipe's post, I read it as "hat-tree-on" and I thought it must elitist because it involved fancy hats. I am apparently quite naïve as far as porn site enthusiasts go.

Who processes the payments for exoclick? If they're allowed to be paid for showing ads on adult sites then they must have a friendly processor. Then you just might have a chance at working backwards by trying to inquire about who uses that processor.