And, believe it or not, there's only one base image. :P I manually manipped everything from the expressions to the mouths and eyes. I was feeling insufficient as a manipper, having only done empty eyes for so long. And I'm currently ashamed at my highest scored image not even reaching the 20s, so I got a sudden surge of determination to make something really cool and unique.
But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/ I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Anyway, I'm kind of ranting. I definitely don't mind you animating it. Feel free! But... As I manipped just about everything from one base image, I don't have base images for all the expressions. So, what I'll do is remanip the base image for all expressions (easy copy + paste job, honestly), and include the textless versions that I have uploaded here. I assume that's what you wanted, right? Just the base images of each expression, otherwise completely unmanipped?
I think that the way the picture is drawn plays a bigger role than actual characters in the image when it comes to popularity, and also quality manips, a good narrative is also a boost. I'm glad to see more people making more indepth manips too OuO I usually change facial expression with the liquify tool but it looks like you shopped in whole new mouths, I should try that sometime I never thought of it. Did you liquify/edit the eyebrows for these or did you redraw them?
Zko said: I think that the way the picture is drawn plays a bigger role than actual characters in the image when it comes to popularity, and also quality manips, a good narrative is also a boost.
Oh, of course. But it would be silly to discount the boon of using a well-drawn image of a very popular character.
I can never seem to get a good narrative in my head for my manips, anymore, now that you mention it. It's like I'm suffering from perpetual writer's block (only for manips), and have been for around three years.
Zko said: I'm glad to see more people making more indepth manips too OuO
Me, too! Of course, I will always try to remind people that a manip doesn't have to be extravagant to be great. Some of my favorite manips are just plain old, simple empty eyes. No special effects, no text, nothing. Just empty eyes.
Still, I do agree that it's nice to see the manipping community progress.
Zko said: I usually change facial expression with the liquify tool but it looks like you shopped in whole new mouths, I should try that sometime I never thought of it.
I'm actually in the process (casually, adding to it when I feel the urge) of collecting mouths that I believe may be useful in the future in a prop map. As a casual, long-term project, I intend to add much more than just mouths to it. I'll probably eventually add anything that can be taken from one image and used in another without too much hassle, but mouths just happened to come first.
I've actually considered making it a community project, but my consideration on the matter ended there, as other fun things currently take up my free time. If you do end up transplanting a mouth or something from one image to another, I'd appreciate it if you would place the cut-out of it on a small transparent-background image and send it to me, since you'll have to cut the mouth, anyway. It would save me time and effort, as I'd just place it into my growing prop map.
Zko said: Did you liquify/edit the eyebrows for these or did you redraw them?
Well...a little of everything, really. I noticed that the original eyebrows were curved upward to show upsetness and concern. I figured that, if they weren't curved upward at the ends, the expression would look softer, considering the distance the eyebrows were from the top of the eyes and such. So, I literally just selected the curved tips, flipped them vertically, turned them a few degrees CCW, aligned them best I could with the rest of the eyebrows, and did some elaborate smudging at various Rate and Brush Tip settings until they looked more natural. In other words, I did what I usually do: brute force what I want out of what I have without any really nifty tricks. :P
Monochrome said: Thank you so much! I can't wait to see what I can do with this set[...]
No, thank you. I can't wait, either. :3
Monochrome said: [...]which totally does deserve a proper tribute, in my opinion. ^^
D'aww, you're just saying that because of my blatant grab for attention in the last comment. <3 Thanks. :)
Vanndril said: And I'm currently ashamed at my highest scored image not even reaching the 20s, so I got a sudden surge of determination to make something really cool and unique.
But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/ I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Don't beat yourself up about it. If the characters popularity is the only reason for a high vote then that isn't necessarily an acknowledgement of your own efforts. Personally, I don't pay much attention to that kind of stuff but I'm sure that if I did I'd go crazy... lol. The important thing is to never stop trying to improve. As manipping is an inherently derivative art form (yes, it's an art form...) any accolades we receive will be fairly undue since the original credit will always belong to the artist. It's not the kind of thing we should obsess over. Credit holds little meaning to us. Take my word for it as someone who has been practicing full body manips and still gets topped by some of the... more simplistic... manipulations.
Huh... it would seem I started to rant a little too. Well, at least you're not alone! XP
Lost+Name said: Don't beat yourself up about it. If the characters popularity is the only reason for a high vote then that isn't necessarily an acknowledgement of your own efforts.
Oh, I'm not beating myself up over it. ^_^ It just irks me, is all. The very act of voting on an image seems to be random. Even if someone really likes an image, they may decide not to vote it up. I've long wondered what the reasons for this are, to be honest. I used to talk to TerraS on the Collective (you know, the owner) on how one could improve the vote up system there.
Lost+Name said: Personally, I don't pay much attention to that kind of stuff but I'm sure that if I did I'd go crazy... lol.
Oh, I'm sure. XD Especially since even votes aren't a really good judge of how many people like an image. Seeing a comparatively worse manip, even if it's made by yourself, rated so much higher than one you take great pride in would make you go, "Grrr... How can people like this better!?"
Lost+Name said: The important thing is to never stop trying to improve.
I agree, but only to a certain extent. Full-body manipulation, as you're focusing on, is way beyond what I'd consider normal manipping. I mean, the entire point of manipping is to make the process of content creation more accessible to those without any art skills to speak of. I feel that what you're doing is far too close to just plain drawing new art. So close, in fact, that I often wonder: at this point, why don't you just learn to create digital media from scratch? You might enjoy it.
Lost+Name said: Take my word for it as someone who has been practicing full body manips and still gets topped by some of the... more simplistic... manipulations.
Hah! You did look at the score listings! :P
Lost+Name said: Huh... it would seem I started to rant a little too. Well, at least you're not alone! XP
Vanndril said: I'm actually in the process (casually, adding to it when I feel the urge) of collecting mouths that I believe may be useful in the future in a prop map.
Would you be able to share such a collection? And of course I'll be glad to send any cut outs I collect myself.
Zko said: Would you be able to share such a collection? And of course I'll be glad to send any cut outs I collect myself.
I don't see why not. I still might make it a community project of sorts, after all. <<tinyurl.com/hugepropmap01|Here>> you go. It's just a couple layers of loosely organized mouths, at the moment. I know that many manippers prefer having each prop on its own layer, but I kept them all on one (and will just make more layers as needed), because I like being able to view them all at once, as it makes it easier for me to decide which to use.
Most of the mouths are "untested", so there are bound to be a few "dirty" ones that haven't been properly cleaned up, yet. You'll also notice that I avoid copying lips over alongside the mouths. This is due to lip color/shading/design not being able to fit in on certain artstyles or color schemes in which the mouth itself would otherwise work fine.
Vanndril said: Most of the mouths are "untested", so there are bound to be a few "dirty" ones that haven't been properly cleaned up, yet. You'll also notice that I avoid copying lips over alongside the mouths. This is due to lip color/shading/design not being able to fit in on certain artstyles or color schemes in which the mouth itself would otherwise work fine.
Thanks a bunch, I also rather see all the mouth at once on a single layer than have them all separate, cutting them out is not as much of a pain compared to sorting through a bunch of layers.
Vanndril said: But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/ I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Psst, the secret is cat-girls! :D
Great set Vaandril, I really like it and it's impressive that it was all done with a single base image. It really amazes me how far you can go with a manip if one puts the effort into it!
RebKMG said: Great set Vaandril, I really like it and it's impressive that it was all done with a single base image. It really amazes me how far you can go with a manip if one puts the effort into it!
Thanks! :) It was originally going to be just another empty eyes manip, but then I was like, "That sounds so boring... Hey, maybe I should put all my mouth props to use!" Combine that with my newly discovered love for making heavily customized gradients, and this was born. :3
Zko said: Thanks a bunch, I also rather see all the mouth at once on a single layer than have them all separate, cutting them out is not as much of a pain compared to sorting through a bunch of layers.
Monochrome said: Ahh this is so useful! Thank you so much! <3 *hugs!*
Maybe I should make this a community project, after all, if people like it that much. I'll consider how to make that work and post a thread for it later, I guess.
>> #4481
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And, believe it or not, there's only one base image. :P
I manually manipped everything from the expressions to the mouths and eyes. I was feeling insufficient as a manipper, having only done empty eyes for so long. And I'm currently ashamed at my highest scored image not even reaching the 20s, so I got a sudden surge of determination to make something really cool and unique.
But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/
I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Anyway, I'm kind of ranting. I definitely don't mind you animating it. Feel free! But... As I manipped just about everything from one base image, I don't have base images for all the expressions. So, what I'll do is remanip the base image for all expressions (easy copy + paste job, honestly), and include the textless versions that I have uploaded here. I assume that's what you wanted, right? Just the base images of each expression, otherwise completely unmanipped?
Edit: <<tinyurl.com/seethelightbases01|Here>> you go.
>> #4486
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I'm glad to see more people making more indepth manips too OuO
I usually change facial expression with the liquify tool but it looks like you shopped in whole new mouths, I should try that sometime I never thought of it.
Did you liquify/edit the eyebrows for these or did you redraw them?
>> #4490
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I think that the way the picture is drawn plays a bigger role than actual characters in the image when it comes to popularity, and also quality manips, a good narrative is also a boost.
Oh, of course. But it would be silly to discount the boon of using a well-drawn image of a very popular character.
I can never seem to get a good narrative in my head for my manips, anymore, now that you mention it. It's like I'm suffering from perpetual writer's block (only for manips), and have been for around three years.
I'm glad to see more people making more indepth manips too OuO
Me, too! Of course, I will always try to remind people that a manip doesn't have to be extravagant to be great. Some of my favorite manips are just plain old, simple empty eyes. No special effects, no text, nothing. Just empty eyes.
Still, I do agree that it's nice to see the manipping community progress.
I usually change facial expression with the liquify tool but it looks like you shopped in whole new mouths, I should try that sometime I never thought of it.
I'm actually in the process (casually, adding to it when I feel the urge) of collecting mouths that I believe may be useful in the future in a prop map. As a casual, long-term project, I intend to add much more than just mouths to it. I'll probably eventually add anything that can be taken from one image and used in another without too much hassle, but mouths just happened to come first.
I've actually considered making it a community project, but my consideration on the matter ended there, as other fun things currently take up my free time. If you do end up transplanting a mouth or something from one image to another, I'd appreciate it if you would place the cut-out of it on a small transparent-background image and send it to me, since you'll have to cut the mouth, anyway. It would save me time and effort, as I'd just place it into my growing prop map.
Did you liquify/edit the eyebrows for these or did you redraw them?
Well...a little of everything, really. I noticed that the original eyebrows were curved upward to show upsetness and concern. I figured that, if they weren't curved upward at the ends, the expression would look softer, considering the distance the eyebrows were from the top of the eyes and such. So, I literally just selected the curved tips, flipped them vertically, turned them a few degrees CCW, aligned them best I could with the rest of the eyebrows, and did some elaborate smudging at various Rate and Brush Tip settings until they looked more natural. In other words, I did what I usually do: brute force what I want out of what I have without any really nifty tricks. :P
Thank you so much! I can't wait to see what I can do with this set[...]
No, thank you. I can't wait, either. :3
[...]which totally does deserve a proper tribute, in my opinion. ^^
D'aww, you're just saying that because of my blatant grab for attention in the last comment. <3
Thanks. :)
>> #4491
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And I'm currently ashamed at my highest scored image not even reaching the 20s, so I got a sudden surge of determination to make something really cool and unique.
But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/
I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Don't beat yourself up about it. If the characters popularity is the only reason for a high vote then that isn't necessarily an acknowledgement of your own efforts. Personally, I don't pay much attention to that kind of stuff but I'm sure that if I did I'd go crazy... lol. The important thing is to never stop trying to improve. As manipping is an inherently derivative art form (yes, it's an art form...) any accolades we receive will be fairly undue since the original credit will always belong to the artist. It's not the kind of thing we should obsess over. Credit holds little meaning to us. Take my word for it as someone who has been practicing full body manips and still gets topped by some of the... more simplistic... manipulations.
Huh... it would seem I started to rant a little too. Well, at least you're not alone! XP
>> #4492
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Don't beat yourself up about it. If the characters popularity is the only reason for a high vote then that isn't necessarily an acknowledgement of your own efforts.
Oh, I'm not beating myself up over it. ^_^ It just irks me, is all.
The very act of voting on an image seems to be random. Even if someone really likes an image, they may decide not to vote it up. I've long wondered what the reasons for this are, to be honest. I used to talk to TerraS on the Collective (you know, the owner) on how one could improve the vote up system there.
Personally, I don't pay much attention to that kind of stuff but I'm sure that if I did I'd go crazy... lol.
Oh, I'm sure. XD Especially since even votes aren't a really good judge of how many people like an image. Seeing a comparatively worse manip, even if it's made by yourself, rated so much higher than one you take great pride in would make you go, "Grrr... How can people like this better!?"
The important thing is to never stop trying to improve.
I agree, but only to a certain extent. Full-body manipulation, as you're focusing on, is way beyond what I'd consider normal manipping. I mean, the entire point of manipping is to make the process of content creation more accessible to those without any art skills to speak of. I feel that what you're doing is far too close to just plain drawing new art. So close, in fact, that I often wonder: at this point, why don't you just learn to create digital media from scratch? You might enjoy it.
Take my word for it as someone who has been practicing full body manips and still gets topped by some of the... more simplistic... manipulations.
Hah! You did look at the score listings! :P
Huh... it would seem I started to rant a little too. Well, at least you're not alone! XP
True, that!
>> #4494
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I'm actually in the process (casually, adding to it when I feel the urge) of collecting mouths that I believe may be useful in the future in a prop map.
Would you be able to share such a collection? And of course I'll be glad to send any cut outs I collect myself.
>> #4495
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Would you be able to share such a collection? And of course I'll be glad to send any cut outs I collect myself.
I don't see why not. I still might make it a community project of sorts, after all. <<tinyurl.com/hugepropmap01|Here>> you go. It's just a couple layers of loosely organized mouths, at the moment. I know that many manippers prefer having each prop on its own layer, but I kept them all on one (and will just make more layers as needed), because I like being able to view them all at once, as it makes it easier for me to decide which to use.
Most of the mouths are "untested", so there are bound to be a few "dirty" ones that haven't been properly cleaned up, yet. You'll also notice that I avoid copying lips over alongside the mouths. This is due to lip color/shading/design not being able to fit in on certain artstyles or color schemes in which the mouth itself would otherwise work fine.
>> #4496
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Most of the mouths are "untested", so there are bound to be a few "dirty" ones that haven't been properly cleaned up, yet. You'll also notice that I avoid copying lips over alongside the mouths. This is due to lip color/shading/design not being able to fit in on certain artstyles or color schemes in which the mouth itself would otherwise work fine.
Thanks a bunch, I also rather see all the mouth at once on a single layer than have them all separate, cutting them out is not as much of a pain compared to sorting through a bunch of layers.
>> #4503
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But even this set only has 9 unique votes so far. :/
I blame the fact that I don't generally use popular characters. :P
Psst, the secret is cat-girls! :D
Great set Vaandril, I really like it and it's impressive that it was all done with a single base image. It really amazes me how far you can go with a manip if one puts the effort into it!
>> #4506
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Psst, the secret is cat-girls! :D
This wouldn't surprised me. Not one bit. XD
Great set Vaandril, I really like it and it's impressive that it was all done with a single base image. It really amazes me how far you can go with a manip if one puts the effort into it!
Thanks! :)
It was originally going to be just another empty eyes manip, but then I was like, "That sounds so boring... Hey, maybe I should put all my mouth props to use!" Combine that with my newly discovered love for making heavily customized gradients, and this was born. :3
Thanks a bunch, I also rather see all the mouth at once on a single layer than have them all separate, cutting them out is not as much of a pain compared to sorting through a bunch of layers.
Ahh this is so useful! Thank you so much! <3 *hugs!*
Maybe I should make this a community project, after all, if people like it that much. I'll consider how to make that work and post a thread for it later, I guess.