From a "here's a sexy lady who has lost her mind" perspective, I get it, and well, all hail bad ends... but I don't get how some Jokerization pieces aren't a complete turn-off, with how freaky or downright grotesque some of it is.
Don't Joker's victims usually die horribly when he does this sort of thing? I imagine that even if such were not the case, the victim would probably still undergo a lot of pain and twisting body parts.
Mindwipe said: If people want to bitch about things not being "MC enough", THIS is where they should direct their energy.
When was calmly voicing an opinion ever bitching?
This is actually SLIGHTLY more mind control related because there is a context to the person acting in a way against their free will. The clown prince of crime (the joker) has created a gas that, when inhaled, makes you look like a freaky clone just like him and forces you to act in a certian way. Is it mind control? More like mind alteration. Unless it grants him control over you to do his bidding as the makeup and shit is all a side effect, I would actually vote against this being MC
I know why you make your comment. Personally I think that a simple "dull eyes" (seriously full eyes alone looks pretty much like most eyes to me personally) is also not enought to warrant being mind control or hypno related.
Nadiatheberzerker said: When was calmly voicing an opinion ever bitching?
Since never, but I wasn't talking about any one comment. I was referring to EVERY pic that gets uploaded with only empty eyes having SOMEONE say that it doesn't look like MC. It gets tiring. It's not like ANY form of eyes mean "hypnosis and only hypnosis". Glowing eyes can also denote that a character is evil or scheming. Spiral eyes may just mean that they're dizzy or confused. Heart eyes may just mean that they're in love. Sparkles in the eyes may mean they're awestruck. Heck, I've even seen eyes akin to Kaa eyes used for characters that are knocked out. But asking for context for every single pic is obviously unreasonable. So, I'd appreciate it if people would just accept that, yes, empty eyes are a type of mind control eye, and so long as the picture can reasonably be viewed as MC and not, say, rape or death, then it is perfectly reasonable to view it as MC and move on.
That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
Mindwipe said: Since never, but I wasn't talking about any one comment. I was referring to EVERY pic that gets uploaded with only empty eyes having SOMEONE say that it doesn't look like MC. It gets tiring. It's not like ANY form of eyes mean "hypnosis and only hypnosis". Glowing eyes can also denote that a character is evil or scheming. Spiral eyes may just mean that they're dizzy or confused. Heart eyes may just mean that they're in love. Sparkles in the eyes may mean they're awestruck. Heck, I've even seen eyes akin to Kaa eyes used for characters that are knocked out. But asking for context for every single pic is obviously unreasonable. So, I'd appreciate it if people would just accept that, yes, empty eyes are a type of mind control eye, and so long as the picture can reasonably be viewed as MC and not, say, rape or death, then it is perfectly reasonable to view it as MC and move on.
That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
The point is that the rules are tag what you see. I tied then you need to make it a public rule that empty eyes unless the picture somehow states they are not meant for mc reasons ARE ALWAYS hypnosis so the argument is invalid. I would accept that
As for the gas. It's not mind control to me either. It's mind alteration at best.
Nadiatheberzerker said: The point is that the rules are tag what you see.
That's actually a guideline. That said, I'm not sure how that guideline is relevant to the topic at hand. I mean, the topic isn't about tags at all.
Nadiatheberzerker said: I tied then you need to make it a public rule that empty eyes unless the picture somehow states they are not meant for mc reasons ARE ALWAYS hypnosis so the argument is invalid. I would accept that
We can't do that. When you make rules that are do-all-end-all on something that is entirely subjective, you back yourself into a corner. You become unable to react properly when something inevitably appears that just doesn't fit the mold. It's better to have more flexible guidelines when you're talking something subjective.
Nadiatheberzerker said: As for the gas. It's not mind control to me either. It's mind alteration at best.
Personally, I agree. But we allow it for the same reason we allow haigure, bimboization, and all that jazz; because enough people see it as MC to where it should be here. In fact, that's more or less why anything is allowed here. To some extent, everything we allow here is seen as MC on some level by the a large number of people (though possibly still the minority). This includes empty eyes when not obviously attributed to rape and the like. The idea is to be open enough to where we're sure to get a large majority of the "MC content", but be able to keep out the stuff that's totally and completely unrelated to the fetish.
All in all, though, if you really must have a solid rule to feel comfortable, then that rule would have to be "the admins decide what is and is not MC". Because, honestly, that is what it boils down to. Someone has to make the call; it just happens to be our job, for better or for worse.
Mindwipe said: That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
To play devil's advocate...
Because of the transformation aspect to it. Choking death or no (which wasn't ALWAYS the case, depending on which canon lore you're talking about), the physical and apparent mental transformation aspect of it crosses the line toward MC. Since when can anesthesia cause a change in wardrobe and makeup?
Fact: We don't even know how anesthesia actually works. We think we know, but we haven't proven it. The most we know is that it does work and that we've been using it for a long, long time.
If anything, this is corruption. The real question, then, isn't "what's this got that other drugs don't", but rather "why wouldn't this be allowed if corruption is".
greasyi said: What has me curious is whether or not all the image threads about whether it has MC or not actually dissuades bad posts or just posts in general.
When stuff is deleted? Probably makes people have second thoughts about uploading similar content.
When stuff isn't, but the comments still contain this "is it MC" topic? I doubt it gives most people even a slight pause.
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If people want to bitch about things not being "MC enough", THIS is where they should direct their energy.
When was calmly voicing an opinion ever bitching?
This is actually SLIGHTLY more mind control related because there is a context to the person acting in a way against their free will. The clown prince of crime (the joker) has created a gas that, when inhaled, makes you look like a freaky clone just like him and forces you to act in a certian way. Is it mind control? More like mind alteration. Unless it grants him control over you to do his bidding as the makeup and shit is all a side effect, I would actually vote against this being MC
I know why you make your comment. Personally I think that a simple "dull eyes" (seriously full eyes alone looks pretty much like most eyes to me personally) is also not enought to warrant being mind control or hypno related.
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When was calmly voicing an opinion ever bitching?
Since never, but I wasn't talking about any one comment. I was referring to EVERY pic that gets uploaded with only empty eyes having SOMEONE say that it doesn't look like MC. It gets tiring. It's not like ANY form of eyes mean "hypnosis and only hypnosis". Glowing eyes can also denote that a character is evil or scheming. Spiral eyes may just mean that they're dizzy or confused. Heart eyes may just mean that they're in love. Sparkles in the eyes may mean they're awestruck. Heck, I've even seen eyes akin to Kaa eyes used for characters that are knocked out. But asking for context for every single pic is obviously unreasonable. So, I'd appreciate it if people would just accept that, yes, empty eyes are a type of mind control eye, and so long as the picture can reasonably be viewed as MC and not, say, rape or death, then it is perfectly reasonable to view it as MC and move on.
That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
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Since never, but I wasn't talking about any one comment. I was referring to EVERY pic that gets uploaded with only empty eyes having SOMEONE say that it doesn't look like MC. It gets tiring. It's not like ANY form of eyes mean "hypnosis and only hypnosis". Glowing eyes can also denote that a character is evil or scheming. Spiral eyes may just mean that they're dizzy or confused. Heart eyes may just mean that they're in love. Sparkles in the eyes may mean they're awestruck. Heck, I've even seen eyes akin to Kaa eyes used for characters that are knocked out. But asking for context for every single pic is obviously unreasonable. So, I'd appreciate it if people would just accept that, yes, empty eyes are a type of mind control eye, and so long as the picture can reasonably be viewed as MC and not, say, rape or death, then it is perfectly reasonable to view it as MC and move on.
That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
The point is that the rules are tag what you see. I tied then you need to make it a public rule that empty eyes unless the picture somehow states they are not meant for mc reasons ARE ALWAYS hypnosis so the argument is invalid. I would accept that
As for the gas. It's not mind control to me either. It's mind alteration at best.
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The point is that the rules are tag what you see.
That's actually a guideline. That said, I'm not sure how that guideline is relevant to the topic at hand. I mean, the topic isn't about tags at all.
I tied then you need to make it a public rule that empty eyes unless the picture somehow states they are not meant for mc reasons ARE ALWAYS hypnosis so the argument is invalid. I would accept that
We can't do that. When you make rules that are do-all-end-all on something that is entirely subjective, you back yourself into a corner. You become unable to react properly when something inevitably appears that just doesn't fit the mold. It's better to have more flexible guidelines when you're talking something subjective.
As for the gas. It's not mind control to me either. It's mind alteration at best.
Personally, I agree. But we allow it for the same reason we allow haigure, bimboization, and all that jazz; because enough people see it as MC to where it should be here. In fact, that's more or less why anything is allowed here. To some extent, everything we allow here is seen as MC on some level by the a large number of people (though possibly still the minority). This includes empty eyes when not obviously attributed to rape and the like. The idea is to be open enough to where we're sure to get a large majority of the "MC content", but be able to keep out the stuff that's totally and completely unrelated to the fetish.
All in all, though, if you really must have a solid rule to feel comfortable, then that rule would have to be "the admins decide what is and is not MC". Because, honestly, that is what it boils down to. Someone has to make the call; it just happens to be our job, for better or for worse.
That rant aside, I still say that THIS is a different case altogether. As many others have pointed out, the gas seems to make people die a horrible, laughing death, not control them. So how is this more MC than someone taking drugs or someone going under anesthesia?
To play devil's advocate...
Because of the transformation aspect to it. Choking death or no (which wasn't ALWAYS the case, depending on which canon lore you're talking about), the physical and apparent mental transformation aspect of it crosses the line toward MC. Since when can anesthesia cause a change in wardrobe and makeup?
Oh, also, funny you mention anesthesia and MC, because <<www.anesthesiaweb.org/dementia.php|that might be the case.>>
Fact: We don't even know how anesthesia actually works. We think we know, but we haven't proven it. The most we know is that it does work and that we've been using it for a long, long time.
If anything, this is corruption. The real question, then, isn't "what's this got that other drugs don't", but rather "why wouldn't this be allowed if corruption is".
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What has me curious is whether or not all the image threads about whether it has MC or not actually dissuades bad posts or just posts in general.
When stuff is deleted? Probably makes people have second thoughts about uploading similar content.
When stuff isn't, but the comments still contain this "is it MC" topic? I doubt it gives most people even a slight pause.