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How much have I improved now?
...Damnit, the legs are too small.
You aren't going to see any sort of worthwhile change that quickly, are you just a masochist? -___-
Pastel-Daemon said:
You aren't going to see any sort of worthwhile change that quickly, are you just a masochist? -___-
Well these are my progressional improvement pictures. To show how much I've improved and what kind of progress I'm making.

It's a good start though right?
waverun said:
Well these are my progressional improvement pictures. To show how much I've improved and what kind of progress I'm making.

It's a good start though right?
You only started trying to improve today, nothing's going to come out of it for a while. Art is a slow and tedious process to improve upon. Look at any of the popular artists on this site, most of them have significant improvement, but if you look closely you'll see it was very gradual. It can take years to get a good art style. The time between this piece and your last was 3 hours or so, improvement's not gonna be noticeable yet.
waverun said:
Well these are my progressional improvement pictures. To show how much I've improved and what kind of progress I'm making.

It's a good start though right?
Don't post 'progressional improvement' here. Get a blog or something for that shit.
http://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
^Read through this. Get over your symbol drawing, learn construction, learn anatomy, learn perspective. Go through ALL of Loomis. If you're serious, you're gonna need to practice hours every day, and it'll still take months to years to git gud
I feel Pastel will maul me if I say anything, so imma try to stay on the sidelines. You have my encouragement though!

Oh fuck it
I'll say that my patients running thin with ya if you think that you're gonna "improve" overnight. Like I get it, you wanna make cool art like a lotta the users here, but this shit's gonna take a while, and this really makes me wonder whether or not you actually tried following my advice...
Basically hence why I flagged... •_____•
Pinkanator said:
Oh fuck it
This isn't his "style". It's mediocre art trying to disguise itself with the "style" excuse. Clamp draws stretched out people, but they're competent enough to know how to exaggerate proportions properly. Waverun does not.

A "style" is the very last thing he ought to be worrying about at this point. Trying to force a "style" will at best teach him bad habits. At worst it's a shield; an excuse to avoid getting better.
Pinkanator said:
I feel Pastel will maul me if I say anything, so imma try to stay on the sidelines. You have my encouragement though!
Nah, im gonna maul you for encouraging this shite behavior.
Cause seriously, it annoys me that you wanna encourage this guy to improve, yet at the same time try and excuse his shortcomings as a "stylistic choice." Like FFS, HE NEEDS TO LEARN BASIC HUMAN ANATOMY.

So yeah, I'm a bit frustrated as u can see, cause the advice I gave some time ago was basically thrown out the window right away from the look of things...
I will admit as an sketch artist I'm less than mediocre. It's part of why I stick to the digital stuff I do. I know why I'm bad at drawing. Next to no practice.
So advice time: if you want to improve, practice...and practice...and practice.
If you want a unique art style, first learn the basics. Learn proportion, and shape, angles and perspective. Study how an arm moves or a leg; how a wrist rotates; a neck.

A head pivots with a curve of the neck, not like a ball joint on top of a stick.
Have you tried holding your wrists at right angles when your arms are straight? How far can the wrist bend? which way does the elbow face?

Once you have the basics down, then you can experiment with personal style, cause if you don't have the foundation, you're just going to fall over again and again and again
All three of these posts have had plenty of advice given in the comments from people far more experienced in art than myself, so I'll abstain on my own advice and just bring this to the QCC and get their take.
plsignore said:
HE NEEDS TO LEARN BASIC HUMAN ANATOMY.
plsignore said:
This isn't his "style". It's mediocre art trying to disguise itself with the "style" excuse.
Let me ask you something.

Have you ever learned something that you so desperately wanted to practice and you practiced it over and over and over again but got nowhere no matter how many times you practiced? That's why I don't study. Because no studying is worth remembering without practicing, and no practicing is worth remembering without eventual success which I've never gotten.
Think of how easy it is to give up when you're clearly getting nowhere.
waverun said:
Let me ask you something.

Have you ever learned something that you so desperately wanted to practice and you practiced it over and over and over again but got nowhere no matter how many times you practiced? That's why I don't study. Because no studying is worth remembering without practicing, and no practicing is worth remembering without eventual success which I've never gotten.
Well with that crap mindset basically wanting to not take all of our advice, I got nothing for ya.

waverun said:
Think of how easy it is to give up when you're clearly getting nowhere.
Of course you *can* give up now, but you went at it before and kept giving a shot. Sure things are frustrating starting up, but I still don't see why you think all the advice we've given you is worthless. Even if you say it aint gonna work cause you've tried practicing a ton before, try again with what we've given you anyway. It's really good advice that I figured I could use as well...
waverun said:
Think of how easy it is to give up when you're clearly getting nowhere.
Oh boy, I could make this dark really quick.
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
Of course you *can* give up now, but you went at it before and kept giving a shot. Sure things are frustrating starting up, but I still don't see why you think all the advice we've given you is worthless. Even if you say it aint gonna work cause you've tried practicing a ton before, try again with what we've given you anyway. It's really good advice that I figured I could use as well...
Give me one good website link that you think will help me. Don't just tell me to "study" up on it and not give me anything to work with.
Pinkanator said:
Oh boy, I could make this dark really quick.
DO NOT!

...Sorry.
waverun said:
Give me one good website link that you think will help me. Don't just tell me to "study" up on it and not give me anything to work with.
1. Plsignore did in fact give you a site that could help, so that's one way to start
2. Other way I suggested if you actually took time to READ what I and others have taken the time to write to you is to try drawing people in real life, or at least just getting rough sketches of em to understand anatomy better. Images on the computer just don't do as well honestly, and if you really want to improve, have the positive mindset toward taking time to keep sketching whenever you can based on real life. There ain't no shortcuts in that case.
waverun said:
Let me ask you something.

Have you ever learned something that you so desperately wanted to practice and you practiced it over and over and over again but got nowhere no matter how many times you practiced? That's why I don't study. Because no studying is worth remembering without practicing, and no practicing is worth remembering without eventual success which I've never gotten.
Alright, fine. Give up. Don't study or practice. But don't act surprised when we call you out on the quality of your work. Just wanting to be good isn't enough. You're gonna have to practice, no matter how ineffective it seems to you.

You're clearly misjudging the timescale here. You think you're practicing a lot, but you're not. This isn't a matter of days, it's a matter of months and years of constant work. Maybe you are practicing that much (I doubt it, but you could be). In which case you're practicing in the wrong way. You need to be going through books and doing the exercises (the link I listed above has tons of resources). You need Loomis. If you need to take a class with a human teacher, go for it.
If you want a good resource for drawing that's free, I recommend looking at the text book "How to draw comic the Marvel Way", you can find it online for free with an easy search. If you have money to spend, may I also recommend "Whoosh! 250 Ways to Get Motion into Your Drawings" and the second edition of "The Complete Idiots Guide to Drawing Manga" (no offense intended), their what I use frequently to learn how to draw proportions. Even if its not the style you would go for it still helps to get the basics of anatomy and posing.
waverun said:
Give me one good website link that you think will help me. Don't just tell me to "study" up on it and not give me anything to work with.
You've already been given one, but here's another Link Loomis is a pretty solid basis for anyone to learn to draw.

That said, it's not like it's the responsibility of the people here to teach you every step of the way, and it definitely feels like you're still looking for some sort of 'solution'/just generally being far too impatient. In either case, the board itself isn't really the correct space to be putting your forays into learning to draw.

Pinkanator said:
I feel Pastel will maul me if I say anything, so imma try to stay on the sidelines. You have my encouragement though!
I'm not generally fond of repeating myself, but if you feel like I was 'mauling' you I don't know that you got what I was trying to convey...

Like I said, the praise you've been seen to heap on him is more likely to hamper improvement. It might spare his feelings in the short term, and I can appreciate wanting to do that, but it's basically functionally useless. As his friend, you probably have more chance of actually getting through to him than most, so even if you're quite...let's say, diplomatic about it, it'd be better to at least nudge him in the right direction than just tell him everything's great when he's honestly still at a really early point in terms of development.

Just trying to get you to understand that you're undermining his chances. If you choose to carry on as you are though, it's not like there's any sense in me pressing the issue.
Pastel-Daemon said:
In either case, the board itself isn't really the correct space to be putting your forays into learning to draw.
I thank you for the link. And while I know that this isn't the place for that sort of thing, this is the only place I feel people will listen. DeviantArt practically doesn't care all that much unless you're posting screencaps, then "Oh, you're in the wrong. Stop posting screencaps." as one popular and heavily influencing DeviantArt member tells me.
waverun said:
I thank you for the link. And while I know that this isn't the place for that sort of thing, this is the only place I feel people will listen. DeviantArt practically doesn't care all that much unless you're posting screencaps, then "Oh, you're in the wrong. Stop posting screencaps." as one popular and heavily influencing DeviantArt member tells me.
And he's right, deviantart isn't made to share screenshots of things you didn't make and breaks copyright policy http://about.deviantart.com/policy/copyright/

Also don't demand other people to find resources for you to study, here is a trick most artists I know use when they are stuck with their drawings http://bfy.tw/6SZv
That torso looks ridiculous. Your absolute first job is to practice anatomy, there's plenty of online resources to help you with that. Don't be discouraged, because if you actually care to get your drawing to the levels of some people around here, it'll take a LOT of work, it's most certainly not an overnight thing.

Also I keep seeing people saying they're putting up 'progression improvement' pictures, but I can't for the life of me understand why. This site is a gallery for complete pictures, its not somewhere to get tips, that's only on the side, not a primary focus.