Vanndril
11/03/13 08:31PM
Mindwipe said:
This is unacceptable. I am seething right now, and I haven't stopped seething from yesterday.

You'll get over it. Especially since he seems really on top of the errors, this time. He's already fixed some of them, supposedly, and is going to be releasing some sort of update soon. Not a full version, but some bug fixes. I've never seen a man work so fast, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on how hard he's trying to fix this.

Also, I knew stuff like this was coming since we set up the site. I even told you we had to deal with and report any bugs we might find over the course of who knows how many years. You should have been anticipating this.

I won't tell you to stop complaining, because that's called bottling, but trust me, we know you're annoyed. :P



BML-20XX said:
Not sure if this affects all mobile browsers or just the 3DS web browser, but thumbnails never appear. Not on the Posts page, Comments, or even user Favorites or Uploads. With no thumbnails or thumbnail placeholders the site becomes largely innavigable. I hope this only affects the 3DS and other low powered mobile devices, but it might be worth looking into.

I was about to check how it looked on my phone...but then I realized the battery has died.

Can anyone confirm this? It does happen on all 3DS? Can anyone tell me if it happens on smart phones, too?

Edit: I charged my phone enough to turn it on and went to the hub. It works fine on my IPhone. It might just be a problem with the 3DS' browser or page rendering or whatever. I ask that anyone with an Android or some other mobile OS test this, too. It would be appreciated.
Mindwipe
11/03/13 09:37PM
Vanndril said:
You'll get over it.


When it's all fixed.

I even told you we had to deal with and report any bugs we might find over the course of who knows how many years. You should have been anticipating this.


The code appearing when a pic was favorited more than 6 times was a bug. The source fielding cutting off the first letter of the url was a bug. This is a colossal clusterfuck. Besides, what I was anticipating is that newly-completed features would have bugs that would need to be fixed, not that working features would become entirely unusable.

trust me, we know you're annoyed. :P


Annoyed? I'm past annoyed. You cannot fathom the level of pissed I am at right now.

Vanndril
11/03/13 09:57PM
Mindwipe said:
Annoyed? I'm past annoyed. You cannot fathom the level of pissed I am at right now.

Sounds like a personal problem. Have you tried not being unfathomably pissed? I heard it's healthy for you.

Mindwipe said:
Besides, what I was anticipating is that newly-completed features would have bugs that would need to be fixed, not that working features would become entirely unusable.

That's how programming works. Especially when you mess with the backend stuff, which is most of this update. Pretty much the entire backend got reworked. He'd have to be the God of Programming to ensure that no old features get bugged with an entirely changed backend setup.

Let me put it this way: It's reality. Get. Over. It. There's no point in raging about what you can't change, not to mention how unhealthy it is. Given time, all will be fixed.

Mindwipe said:
When it's all fixed.

Then you'll be happy to know that he's already knocked off a handful, around 2 or 3, of them (one of them being the DMail error, no less). And it's been less than 24 hours since I made the first real bug report for this version. You should just calm your ass down and be happy that he's rushing to our aid, trying to fix the problems this update has caused.

I'll apply any fixes we get the moment he releases the package for them.
Mindwipe
11/03/13 10:16PM
I was going to go on another rant about how I'm not going to calm down, and how the last update took 3 months, and how programming seems like a pretty sweet gig if breaking a ton of stuff is considered normal and no big deal, but then I saw this:

Vanndril said:
DMail


and now I'm just trying to figure out who's been sending messages to the past.
Vanndril
11/03/13 10:25PM
Mindwipe said:
I was going to go on another rant about how I'm not going to calm down

To which I'd have replied, once again, with: Sounds like a personal problem. Sucks to be you, then. That's some level of maturity you've got, throwing temper tantrums over the internet. Or something akin to these statements.

Mindwipe said:
and how the last update took 3 months

Do you know why? Because he was carefully working on the backend changes. He said it himself, at the time: he was busy making heavy changes to the software, and didn't have time to worry about the bugs at the moment, but that he'd get to them eventually. You think it's broken now? Imagine how it would have been if it DIDN'T take him 3 months, and he rushed it, instead. Hell, you should be THANKING him that he took his time to try to get a majority of everything working.


Mindwipe said:
and how programming seems like a pretty sweet gig if breaking a ton of stuff is considered normal and no big deal

It's considered normal and no big deal because it happens every damned time, pretty much no matter what you're programming. Well, maybe not for smaller projects, but for big ones like this software, yes, it's to be expected. This is just the nature of programming progress. This can be mostly avoided by having a huge user base to test your stuff. In this case, that user base just happens to be us. Hell, didn't I explain all this last night, anyway? Stop making me repeat myself! :P

Mindwipe said:
and now I'm just trying to figure out who's been sending messages to the past.

*whistles innocently*
__

Edit: Reading our posts aloud, we should have our own radio talk show, or something. Mindwipe could rage about things, and I could tell him to stuff it. For some reason, I bet it'd be popular.
Mindwipe
11/03/13 10:37PM
Vanndril said:
Stop making me repeat myself! :P


Stop replying to me, then. Besides, you already said

Vanndril said:
I won't tell you to stop complaining, because that's called bottling


So, let me rage, goddammit.

*whistles innocently*


You have to undo those DMails, you fool! Changing the past only makes the future worse!
Vanndril
11/03/13 10:41PM
Mindwipe said:
Stop replying to me, then. Besides, you already said
Vanndril said:
I won't tell you to stop complaining, because that's called bottling

So, let me rage, goddammit.

Yes, I said I wouldn't tell you to stop raging, and I haven't. You can rage all you want, just do it more calmly, or you'll sour the mood even more than the update itself has. :P

Mindwipe said:
You have to undo those DMails, you fool! Changing the past only makes the future worse!

I'd LOVE to, but the most current update BROKE THE DMAIL SYSTEM! Trust me. I have people. And they're on the job. It'll get fixed. And then none of this will ever have happened in the past future!
Mindwipe
11/03/13 11:18PM
Vanndril said:
You can rage all you want, just do it more calmly


i.imgur.com/5wFqvIk.gif
Reversed1
11/03/13 11:39PM
Dunno if its a bug or not but the upload button is taking a LONG TIME to load anything.

Vanndril
11/03/13 11:42PM
Reversed1 said:
Dunno if its a bug or not but the upload button is taking a LONG TIME to load anything.


I'm not having this problem. Anyone else experiencing this?
How much longer does it take, for you, then it did?
...Are your uploads just bigger? :P

Oh, and what browser are you using? Does this happen to you with other browsers?


Yeah, I figured that would get you to pipe down for a bit. At least while you attempt to figure out how that does and doesn't make any sense at the exact same time. :P
Reversed1
11/03/13 11:52PM
Vanndril said:
I'm not having this problem. Anyone else experiencing this?
How much longer does it take, for you, then it did?
...Are your uploads just bigger? :P

Oh, and what browser are you using? Does this happen to you with other browsers?



Usually I think it takes a minute or two. This time it just spins indefinetly until I get a "Cannot show webpage" screen. Then a 403 if I back arrow.

I usually use I.E. It works fine for me. Never thought to try my other browsers. o3o

Mindwipe
11/03/13 11:54PM
My upload speed seems more or less normal too.

It could just be the file size. The last manip Reversed posted (or at least the last one in the index) is 1.5 MB.

Edit: Or maybe not. =/
Reversed1
11/03/13 11:56PM
***UPDATE***
Nevermind, it's working again. For now. ^^;
Sorry if I worried anyone.

Still, its possible the uploader is just acting up. Might be a good idea to keep an eye on it.
Stem_Cell
11/04/13 12:06AM
Vanndril said:
This was caused by someone forgetting their {quote} tag, and only using a {/quote} tag...

Quoting someone who qouted a quote inserts the closing tag automatically by mistake

i.imgur.com/cAFJ14z.png

Vanndril said:
That's how programming works. Especially when you mess with the backend stuff, which is most of this update. Pretty much the entire backend got reworked. He'd have to be the God of Programming to ensure that no old features get bugged with an entirely changed backend setup.

Can I just point out again that this site is coded in PHP? Trust me guys, this is probably all PHP's fault. Really, you have no idea how borked PHP is and how many pitfalls it has. So let's say for example that you use a function called:
mysql_escape_string
Well, it works, but it's broken - you were supposed to know by heart that you had to call mysql_real_escape_string
Also, if you tell it to report "all errors", be sure to tell it to report also the other ones: "E_ALL" does not account for some errors.
Also, take a look at this simple-looking line of code:


What will it do?

* If PHP was compiled with --disable-url-fopen-wrapper, it won’t work. (Docs don’t say what "won’t work" means; returns null, throws exception?) Note that this flag was removed in PHP 5.2.5.
* If allow_url_fopen is disabled in php.ini, this still won’t work. (How? No idea.)
* Because of the @, the warning about the non-existent file won’t be printed.
* But it will be printed if scream.enabled is set in php.ini.
* Or if scream.enabled is set manually with ini_set.
* But not if the right error_reporting level isn’t set.
* If it is printed, exactly where it goes depends on display_errors, again in php.ini. Or ini_set.

I can’t tell how this innocuous function call will behave without consulting compile-time flags, server-wide configuration, and configuration done in my program. And this is all built in behavior.

Mindwipe said:
Vanndril said:
DMail

and now I'm just trying to figure out who's been sending messages to the past.

Did you just notice? :D

Vanndril said:
Edit: Reading our posts aloud, we should have our own radio talk show, or something. Mindwipe could rage about things, and I could tell him to stuff it. For some reason, I bet it'd be popular.

It would.
Stem_Cell
11/04/13 12:11AM
Oh, by the way, about PHP again, and why we can't have nice things.

PHP was partially coded by some reckless teenage jews who thought it was pretty funny to make identifiers in hebrew, <<www.phpsadness.com/static/pages/sad/1/err_double_colon.png|hence this error message>>.
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