Ogodei-Khan said: Why do you feel the need to pre-emptively start flaming? You're really not going about this in a polite way.
I'm just ticked. mindwipe banned me for a week just because I forgot the source link to a few pics, and yet this guy is still posting pics without giving a source link. I mean, how is that fair?! HUH?! TELL ME THAT!
I agree which is why I think it's an all or nothing affair, either you enforce your own standards or you don't but you can't pick and choose and expect us to be psychic. I didn't know you HAD to put source links in, after all what if you had it saved for a long time and you honestly couldn't remember where it came from. If I went under these double standards I could have been banned.
Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer. What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
I guess I just have a very communistic view of crime and punishment, either everyone gets punished for the offense they commit or nobody does. Anything in between is likely a petty personal matter and thus subject to bad blood and starting a flame war.
The place to discuss it then would be to bring up a forum thread on image enforcement, rather than bogging down image discussions.
(sorry if i'm treading on any site-policy toes with this line of commenting. I moderate on a mid-sized gaming community, so I have a thing for derailment and off-topic attacks).
starfleetcommand001 said: I don't think it's about flaming or being polite. I think it's about being fair.
starfleetcommand001 said: I agree which is why I think it's an all or nothing affair, either you enforce your own standards or you don't but you can't pick and choose and expect us to be psychic. I didn't know you HAD to put source links in, after all what if you had it saved for a long time and you honestly couldn't remember where it came from. If I went under these double standards I could have been banned.
Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer. What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
I guess I just have a very communistic view of crime and punishment, either everyone gets punished for the offense they commit or nobody does. Anything in between is likely a petty personal matter and thus subject to bad blood and starting a flame war.
exactly! what do you say to that, mindwipe? still think it was fair to do that to me while giving this RedHiroto a free pass? and everyone else who has neglected to post source links?
Hamn8er, you weren't banned specifically for not tagging your images or adding sources. You were banned for refusing to even attempt to do so, despite the fact that you obviously had the information. In some of the images you didn't source, you even went so far as to claim that you're "rather chummy" with the artist and add the artist tag, so you very obviously knew the source. We don't require that you put information into a post if you don't know it, but if you do know it, then we expect you to do so if you're the uploader.
You were asked politely numerous times through correspondence with Mindwipe (DMails) to please add the source if you knew them and other such things, but you would often reply with something akin to "it's not how I do things" or "I have such and such disorder, so I do that". You've been nothing short of uncooperative since we started trying to help you properly use the post system. Mindwipe even warned you that, if you continued to ignore our posting rules, you would be banned. You got banned more for your behavior than specifically for your tagging or sourcing problems. That is why you were "singled out", as you claim. No one else has been so uncooperative when we reached out to them.
If the administration is guilty of anything, here, it's that we're not strict enough. We like to give people many chances. We think it's better for everyone involved and the site itself to handle things in a calm, reasonable manner. You've been given many chances, yourself, only to consistently ignore our warnings.
Now, I don't mind if you want to make a forum thread about a disputed administrative action or if you'd like to otherwise start a DMail conversation with one of us about it, but, consider this your warning, stop posting about it in the comments for completely unrelated posts. It's essentially spam. There are better places to hold such a conversation.
hamn8r said: exactly! what do you say to that, mindwipe? still think it was fair to do that to me while giving this RedHiroto a free pass? and everyone else who has neglected to post source links?
Stop hating on Mindwipe. It was a collective decision to have you banned for a week. And yes, I still believe that you fully deserved the ban.
starfleetcommand001 said: I agree which is why I think it's an all or nothing affair, either you enforce your own standards or you don't but you can't pick and choose and expect us to be psychic.
We don't expect anyone to psychically predict what we intend to do. We warned hamn8er numerous times about what he was doing wrong, and he refused to change his course of action. We will always hand out warnings long before bans.
starfleetcommand001 said: What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
The only reason this would ever be the case is that the people who do get punished ignore our warnings. Those who don't get banned adhere to them. In the case of sourcing, the only time sourcing is required is if you know the source. You will never get banned for not sourcing something you don't know the source to, and you will only ever be banned for bad tagging practices if you refuse to tag properly despite numerous warnings (I'm not saying this is what hamn8er did, of course, I'm just giving examples).
starfleetcommand001 said: Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer.
Trust me, you needn't worry about messing up. We're very lenient here. Messing up isn't what gets you banned. What gets people banned is when they refuse to follow the direction expressly given to them by administration.
The bottom line is that this is our site and we have a self-imposed responsibility to moderate it and keep it running smoothly. When it comes right down to it, we have the right and power to handle the site pretty much however we want. However, we don't want to be overbearing in any way, which can't be avoided unless we get the cooperation of our user base. People need to at least attempt to act within the rules and guidelines or the system we have in place breaks down. That's just the nature of it all.
Now, this conversation on the comments ends here. If it should be continued, continue it via private communications or the forums.
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Why do you feel the need to pre-emptively start flaming? You're really not going about this in a polite way.
I'm just ticked. mindwipe banned me for a week just because I forgot the source link to a few pics, and yet this guy is still posting pics without giving a source link. I mean, how is that fair?! HUH?! TELL ME THAT!
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Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer. What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
I guess I just have a very communistic view of crime and punishment, either everyone gets punished for the offense they commit or nobody does. Anything in between is likely a petty personal matter and thus subject to bad blood and starting a flame war.
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Why do you feel the need to pre-emptively start flaming? You're really not going about this in a polite way.
I don't think it's about flaming or being polite. I think it's about being fair.
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(sorry if i'm treading on any site-policy toes with this line of commenting. I moderate on a mid-sized gaming community, so I have a thing for derailment and off-topic attacks).
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I don't think it's about flaming or being polite. I think it's about being fair.
I agree which is why I think it's an all or nothing affair, either you enforce your own standards or you don't but you can't pick and choose and expect us to be psychic. I didn't know you HAD to put source links in, after all what if you had it saved for a long time and you honestly couldn't remember where it came from. If I went under these double standards I could have been banned.
Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer. What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
I guess I just have a very communistic view of crime and punishment, either everyone gets punished for the offense they commit or nobody does. Anything in between is likely a petty personal matter and thus subject to bad blood and starting a flame war.
exactly! what do you say to that, mindwipe? still think it was fair to do that to me while giving this RedHiroto a free pass? and everyone else who has neglected to post source links?
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You were asked politely numerous times through correspondence with Mindwipe (DMails) to please add the source if you knew them and other such things, but you would often reply with something akin to "it's not how I do things" or "I have such and such disorder, so I do that". You've been nothing short of uncooperative since we started trying to help you properly use the post system. Mindwipe even warned you that, if you continued to ignore our posting rules, you would be banned. You got banned more for your behavior than specifically for your tagging or sourcing problems. That is why you were "singled out", as you claim. No one else has been so uncooperative when we reached out to them.
If the administration is guilty of anything, here, it's that we're not strict enough. We like to give people many chances. We think it's better for everyone involved and the site itself to handle things in a calm, reasonable manner. You've been given many chances, yourself, only to consistently ignore our warnings.
Now, I don't mind if you want to make a forum thread about a disputed administrative action or if you'd like to otherwise start a DMail conversation with one of us about it, but, consider this your warning, stop posting about it in the comments for completely unrelated posts. It's essentially spam. There are better places to hold such a conversation.
exactly! what do you say to that, mindwipe? still think it was fair to do that to me while giving this RedHiroto a free pass? and everyone else who has neglected to post source links?
Stop hating on Mindwipe. It was a collective decision to have you banned for a week. And yes, I still believe that you fully deserved the ban.
I agree which is why I think it's an all or nothing affair, either you enforce your own standards or you don't but you can't pick and choose and expect us to be psychic.
We don't expect anyone to psychically predict what we intend to do. We warned hamn8er numerous times about what he was doing wrong, and he refused to change his course of action. We will always hand out warnings long before bans.
What grinds my gears about it is that some get punished for an infraction and others get to commit that same infraction scott free.
The only reason this would ever be the case is that the people who do get punished ignore our warnings. Those who don't get banned adhere to them. In the case of sourcing, the only time sourcing is required is if you know the source. You will never get banned for not sourcing something you don't know the source to, and you will only ever be banned for bad tagging practices if you refuse to tag properly despite numerous warnings (I'm not saying this is what hamn8er did, of course, I'm just giving examples).
Part of the reason I don't post any of my stuff here is I'm almost afraid I'll mess up something no matter how minor and then comes the ban hammer.
Trust me, you needn't worry about messing up. We're very lenient here. Messing up isn't what gets you banned. What gets people banned is when they refuse to follow the direction expressly given to them by administration.
The bottom line is that this is our site and we have a self-imposed responsibility to moderate it and keep it running smoothly. When it comes right down to it, we have the right and power to handle the site pretty much however we want. However, we don't want to be overbearing in any way, which can't be avoided unless we get the cooperation of our user base. People need to at least attempt to act within the rules and guidelines or the system we have in place breaks down. That's just the nature of it all.
Now, this conversation on the comments ends here. If it should be continued, continue it via private communications or the forums.