Posted on 2022-09-06 12:26:18
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So Ill ask again since I didnt get a definitive answer before.

Does her and her Garchomp get saved/purified later in the story? All the other characters in the story got buddytized but then reversed the effects but it wasnt clear if Cynthia & her Garchomp were cured.

Posted on 2022-09-06 13:22:55
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According to the wiki, Cynthia steps aside after being defeated in the climax of the story, but remains Buddyized/brainwashed. The supplementary audio files imply she's permanently brainwashed, and that it's seemingly impossible to reproduce the effect in other people without destroying them. Cynthia got lucky, or unlucky, depending on your perspective.

Posted on 2022-09-06 13:53:53
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@/Fic Yeah no that sucks and it immensely bothers me that her buddytized is permanent but everyone else is freed from it. To me thats just bad writing.

And look maybe Im reading too much about it cause lol its just a fan fiction series but I got invested into it and now Im seeing a character like Cynthia who I have immensely respect for be in a permanent state of brainwashing and nothing can be done about it? I dont like that one bit.

And look Im aware that others are okay with that. Cynthia with a beehive hairstyle radiating mommy energy? Buddyverse is catering to my fetish, like I dont want my rant to ruin it for others. Im aware that theres a side of the Pokmon fandom that loves dark/twisted horror themes weather its in the canon series or fan fictions like Buddyverse. And much like Buddyverse to have a bad ending.

I guess its just me. How Im into characters like Cynthia just being hypnotized regularly and not totally brainwashed to be evil forever.

Posted on 2022-09-06 14:01:47
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Yeah Im honestly with waffles here. That seems like a huge problem to just leave completely unresolved plot wise. They could have done like they did in the first team buddy special and used Jirachi to reset button

Posted on 2022-09-06 15:26:28
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@/skullman2033 Aw man I totally forgot about the Jirachi subplot in the story! They could've just used the wish macguffin to heal Cynthia & Garchomp! Dang it!

*sigh* The dude who made the Team Biddy returns series really needs to resolve that issue right away. I want Cynthia & Garchomp healed/purified. So they can enjoy their vacation properly.

Posted on 2022-09-06 20:00:55
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I've kept up with the series as best I can, watching pretty much all the content. In my opinion, Cynthia not being rescued/restored is not an oversight. Mr. Buddy, the creator of the fanfic, has invested (considering her role in the series) a disproportionate amount of time and effort into depicting Cynthia's brainwashing in the story.

The voice-acted tapes detailing the treatment and horrific experimentation Cynthia underwent (and then inflicted upon others) are not something made by someone who is going to magically flip her to being okay at the end. They're intentionally disturbing, and there is great emphasis on how Cynthia isn't even a normal human any more, such was the extent of the ruinous and gruesome invasive procedures on her mind and body.

It feels like something I'd do if I were making an otherwise fun fanfic with a silly mind control angle; sneak in some of that good shit, with a total, sneaky corruption of the hottest heroine.

I could be completely misreading it, but I think expecting the author to cure Cynthia is not going to end well.

Posted on 2022-09-06 20:22:37
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@/Fic With all due respect I disagree with you & Mr.Buddy on the direction he took with Cynthia being corrupted to the point of no return. I truly do NOT find it fair that her corruption is permanent while the others went back to normal.
Especially with the "magically flip her to being okay at the end" notion. Brainwashing is a thing. An actual thing. And their are cures for brainwashing and recovery methods. Why should a character like Cynthia be any different.?

I am NOT okay with the author of the fan fic not resolving the issues with Cynthia being brainwashed and not resolved. Especially learning about the context as to how she was brainwashed in the first place.

Again sorry for being very vocal (and ranting) about this subject matter. I watched all of the Team Buddy Returns stuff and while at the end of the day it IS someone's fan fiction of writing a villainous team where characters face devastating consequences to the point where this Mr.Buddy guy pretty much made a horror Pokemon story. I just don't' agree with a lot of the decisions made in the story.

Posted on 2022-09-06 21:25:13
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Oh, I'm not saying it's the right thing. I'm just being forthright that in his shoes, I would likely have done the same thing.



Yes, it's a violation of what we expect in a story resolution.



The audiotapes went into great detail about that. Cynthia has been brainwashed twice; the second being a "deluxe" version (implied to be surgical), and also has had her biology and brain physically tampered with during the experiments to replicate what they have defined as "permanent Buddyization".

I'm not saying it's nice. Just that I really don't foresee Cynthia ever recovering in this series.



I understand that. If what happened to Cynthia wasn't my exact kink, I'd be unhappy about it, too.

Posted on 2022-09-06 21:37:15
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@/Fic and look I'm sure beehive hairstyle is Mr. Buddy's kink. I'm not gonna march over to his twitter and complain about his story writing choices (well...I would if I still had Twitter). I just fundamentally don't agree with her brainwashing being permanent. And I honestly can't understand why others are "okay" with Cynthia's brainwashing staying permanent.

When it comes to Pokemon fan fictions like the Team Buddy Returns series, I was hoping for a happy ending, good guys win & bad guys lose. Sure it's a matter of perspective but I can't stand it when antagonist use brainwashing to corrupt good people & get away with it. And I scramble to get answers to see if such a conflict is resolved. Especially sine I got invested in this fan fiction series enough to watch those videos including the animatic that someone worked pretty hard on.

I'm sure you respect or at the very least, understand my opinions on the matter & I acknowledge your opinion on the matter. But if those are the definitive answers you're giving me as to if she'll ever be cured on the brainwashing then so be it. It's someone's (unfinished) fan fiction at the end of the day. While I'm not satisfied with the story, the guy who made it is as well as others who agree with his writing choices, especially for Cynthia's brainwashing.

Posted on 2022-09-06 22:45:19
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There's nothing wrong with Cynthia getting permanently and irreversibly corrupted from a literary standpoint, regardless of what happens to the other characters. Shit's dark, but a bad end doesn't necessarily mean a bad ending, if you get what I mean. I think you just don't like it and are trying to rationalize it as something more.
Which is fine, mind you. I don't like it either.