Posted on 2014-04-07 03:24:23
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Oh my god. XD I just read the whole thing. Mind control through philosophy? I'm not sure if it's really MC or not, but it's hilarious. I think I wanna post the rest of it here. It's short enough to not be a big deal.

Posted on 2014-04-07 03:42:03
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Having read it myself and through many interactions with other individuals myself in a somewhat similar manner (though not pertaining to the topic of sex) I would say that this is a form of mind control.

Some thoughts on what constitutes as 'mind control'
[spoilers]The more decisive definitions of mind control that I can think of is the process by which one individual could control an individual's mind through their own means. So you use a drug to put them in perpetual heat? You have controlled another person's mind through your own means. Their willingness, resistance, or unawareness of what's going on does not change if mind control has happened as I'm sure we'd all agree with as a more broad definition. As well it is important to state that the control does not have to be of another individual as seen with accidental hypnosis sorta pictures, one can control their own mind, I would say the key sorta component would be that these actions must consciously observable, while you may not be able to be consciously aware as to how horny a drug makes you or the subliminal messages on a screen, you can observe the drug when it's in a bag, or observe the screen, or the pendant, or the music being played or anything like that, meanwhile more controlling one's own mind through more 'unconscious' effort like thinking to a story when they were playing in the snow if they're out in the desert to stave off heat, is something that happens entirely internally, I cannot observe what you are thinking, as a result it doesn't 'change' who you are..... Ah but I'm getting into very technical definitions and all that are honestly irrelevant and I have no idea if I'd even have a satisfactory conclusion to this, so I'll get back to my thoughts on this piece.[/spoilers]

Thoughts on whether this story counts as 'mind control'
[spoilers]I have observed through my OWN experiences that words ARE able to 'control' an individuals mind, your choice of wording, how you approach the topic, all sorts of things will altar how willing a person is to listen to the ideas you're trying to get across. I have managed to talk friends into believing things that they otherwise wouldn't, and the manner this guy takes to talk about things is rather similar, though not quite as effective as the manga may make it seem (though obviously it's doing all of this for humorous reasons I am not blind to), would take someone who's far more ditzy than the average person or such to fall for it especially since it stated the conclusion, something that would put most people off, at the start. Still, I do believe based on his wording and her general attitude that if he talked about these things in a far more 'normal' way, her mind would in it's natural state reject the notion of having sex with him after ONLY 8 pages of conversation (while a more detailed story obviously things could change), but rather through the more manipulative ways of his dialogue he sorta mentally seduces her to follow his train of thought, stating various facts or observations at points which in turn her mind then accepts as truth, so then with him already having painted a conclusion, her mind sorta followed it and accepted the premise that they should have sex as a fact, which she otherwise wouldn't have. Thus showing that through his consciously observable actions he has been able to control her mind much akin to hypnosis or some sort of drug. At least that's my opinion.[/spoilers]

I apologize for my rambling, I have a bad habit of rambling and all, I hope that my thoughts were useful or interesting to someone! I thank you for your time and hope you have a nice day!

Edit:WARNING BIG LONG STUFF! FEEL FREE TO SKIP!

Further analysis into what constitutes as 'mind control'
[spoilers]I just put some thought into definition of mind control and all that I was talking about before, I thought about it and I stopped where I did because 'mind over matter' stuff appears on the surface to be control over your own mind consciously and all, but through the application of common sense I'm sure that we can all tell that the mind over matter example I gave simply does not fall under mind control, or at least would have no place on this site, which then means that the definition of mind control used by this site does not include 'mind over matter', which is really all that's relevant and such about if this little story is fair game here or not. Anyways, I thought about it and the biggest difference I would say is that 'mind control' is about controlling the MIND, as per the name, whereas 'mind over matter' is about altering ones PERCEPTIONS, obviously the world, temperature, all sorts of things are constants in both cases, but altering one to be more horny is about changing sorta stuff going on in their mind, and while that may include altering perceptions it is not sorta limited to that, such as while you may have a drug that puts someone into perpetual heat, such depictions of fiction leave us to imagine that if they wanted to the person could have alternatively created a drug that makes them never horny, or makes them stupid, or makes them smarter, or allows you to change their very memories, the 'potential' control is over their mind, while this also allows you to alter their senses it's not limited to just that, and since we also include body control here, when it comes to one who's potential is limited solely to altering the perceptions of another that would likely fall under such a category where for you to change what another person physically feels you must either change their mind or their body since you do not possess a 'natural' control over their thoughts, you cannot think about that winter story FOR them and have them cool off, though you could tell it to them, ultimately they can choose to not listen to you at all. Mind over matter stuff however involves altering ones own mental perceptions, perceptions are things that are physical as electrical pulses that move through our nerves and to our brains where they're processed, as well while we can use our minds to change what it is that's processed (even though reality will remain the same so you're just in as much danger of frostbite or heatstroke) ultimately if we accept that the electrical pulses in our brains and nerves that are based on reality are 'physical' entities (which an argument could be made) mind over matter doesn't involve controlling our own minds at all, but merely altering the 'physical', and it's not even fully body control since our biological bodies are doing the same things before and after (save the brain), and are just as likely to get frostbite or heatstroke or whatever, so it's not exactly body control either. So even if having a confidence boost makes you jump higher because you believe in yourself, your body didn't suddenly get more potential you just tapped into more of that. Though then also comes into the ideas positivity and negativity, and how if you surround yourself with positivity you'd feel more positive and negativity makes you feel more negative, thus an individual can choose to be positive about things and in turn result in a mental/emotional change within themselves, over time, to being more positive, thus it is controlling their own mind through their direct noticeable actions but I would still say that it's not mind control (by the definition that would be used by this site at least) but more akin to mind over matter, might be something different...... Ah here I came so close to having what I thought would be an airtight definition only to find yet more loopholes..... I think I need to seriously consider a career as a lawyer or something..... Terribly sorry if this is far too off topic, I will refrain from continuing this little thought process anymore on this picture and all. I do sincerely hope that I have not frustrated or upset anyone with my self musings. I once again thank you for your time and hope you have a great day![/spoilers]

Posted on 2014-04-07 03:56:24
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BIRDS!

Posted on 2014-04-07 04:09:45
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Seems legit. I like your way of thought.



I'm glad you like it. I was hoping it could stay as it really struck me the same way.

Posted on 2014-04-07 05:07:46
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Conash u write like Milton u might b 1 of them geniuses


N-noided?

Posted on 2014-04-07 07:13:29
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I'd say it is a form of mind control. Covert manipulation of thoughts and all. It just so happens to be pretty damn funny as well. :)

Posted on 2014-04-07 09:51:40
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I'm not quite familiar with who this Milton is, may I have a link?

As well for how I write it's merely just how I think, and in truth it's really just a bunch of aspergers stuff really. Among other mental things that I have, but generally I just focus on certain things and think about them to death, and my natural way of thinking is VERY logical. And to add to how long-winded I am, I get caught up on technicalities through a combination of perfectionism and a constant desire to better my knowledge, my mind will constantly bombard whatever ideas I have with every counter idea possible to try to ensure that any bad ideas that I can disprove I do. Also I have a terrible habit of thinking things out WHILE typing, and not going back to just give a summarized conclusion.....

But I do thank you for the compliment none the less.

Posted on 2014-04-07 17:34:35
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Are his eyes glowing in that top panel?

Posted on 2014-04-08 07:24:03
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@2095conash
I'm not really sure if I follow you, but if this comic is considered mind control, wouldn't pretty much all education fall under mind control?
Let's say someone showed you a convincing proof of the Pythagorean theorem, how is making you accept this theorem different from making you accept that having sex with someone is a good idea? Have you been subject to mind control if you accept the proof?

I think you definition misses the essence of what is usually meant by mind control: that the change in "mindset" (whatever that means) should be "suitably" abrupt.
Let's say a mind has a characteristic time scale on which it would change it's state if not subjected to mind control. For example: a young child may be quicker to pick up new ideas than an adult. If during a period of time T, the change in mind state is much greater than what would be typical of the subject, we might say that mind control has occured.
One problem with this definition would be that in order to measure change in mind state, we would need to introduce a distance measure between different mind states. Intuitively, being a devout Christian should in some sense be far away from being a Satanist (although perhaps not along all axes, since they both share a deep faith).

Of course, this defintion of mind control might include traumatic experiences that no-one was in control of. And it also does not include subtle, yet purposeful manipulations. Other definitions should perhaps include the intent of the controller, to perhaps include the form of "mind control" depicted in this comic.
I would still argue that it is not mind control, since his arguments should not have notably perturbed the mind state of a grown adult; hence she was not too oppossed to the idea of having sex in the first place.

Posted on 2014-04-08 07:34:26
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Go read Paradise Lost pls ty