one thing that has always left me wondering whenever i see ugly bastard stuff especially ntr stuff, is not only how all all of them look the same(ugly bastards) but also how every single one of them i've ever seen in my entire life are black, and i find that oddly racist, i don't know if i'm look to deep into this but i imagine this something to do with the stereotype that black people are rapists that will stop at nothing to rape "innocent white woman", or maybe i just need spend less time on twitter, it could be confirmation bias considering i have this ideia that ja an extremely racist place so being black could be considered as ugly

I literally never saw an ugly bastard black. I think you're overthinking this. The ugly bastard tend to be the typical ugly caricature of a japanese guy (usually salaryman or student) or a faceless dude.

hypnohub.net/index.php?pa...st&tags=ugly_bastard+

The amount of black ugly bastards on the tag is quite low...

I wouldn't say that all of them are black but, yeah... I see your point in a lot of cases.

I think it's unfair to view a country as "racist" just because of a few portrayals in hentai and anime. Japan is a relatively isolated country still. They don't get much exposure to other cultures and nowadays they're becoming increasingly aware of that fact. The xenophobia that once loomed over the country is beginning to go away.

As far as black people in anime and hentai go, I think it's all about exposure for most people. It's true that in Japan there is a saying that goes something along the lines of "light skin is beauty". Yet there are many cases where they've shown that they can see outside of that mindset.

I think it might take more time, still, but in the future, I do see a change occurring in the way the Japanese people portray people of color.

Also, I know this is almost completely irrelevant but, IMO, the ugly bastard trope is completely repudiable regardless of how it's done and hypno-fetishism shines brightest when on its own, completely apart from sex.

Feel free to ask me what a psymicon is. :)

for the record, i think this is a decent point that warrants discussion but boy does that thread title hit you like a truck if you're not thinking in the right context lol

I've never seen an ugly black man in a doujin.
i've read plenty and they all been large buff and really hung.

I think there was a history of art portraying men in general as having darker skin tone compared to women. Might have started from ancient Egypt or Greek. Not too sure on this one.

I'm fairly sure the intention isn't to suggest ugly bastard archetype characters are literally black, though I know in some Asian cultures having fairer skin is though of as being more attractive, so maybe the inverse also applies here.

If I was worried about the portrayal of black people in anime, I would probably start with some of the more caricatured versions like Popo in DBZ. But I think even in that sense, things have gotten better with more recent anime.

They're more of a greyish black blob man.

it's the exact opposite for me, i have never seen those guys, even if i did it was probably very rarely

for the record i find the country racist for many other reasons, this is just one of them

it may be the case that your grey is different from my grey

is that, usually ugly bastard tend to draw them or model them in a way that's different to the girls (sightly darker skin, drawed as plain draft, drawed on an hyper realist way, etc), but the major part of ugly bastard, even with the skin tone a bit different than the girls, I just found 1 artist each 10 than draw black ugly bastards.

Not Black, just a different skin tone, looks like typical japanese guys:
hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=154678
hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=153348
hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=153215
hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=153068


These are the example of a black ugly bastard, but isn't like all are black.

hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=153647
hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=153522

personally when I think ugly bastard I get the extremely distinct profile of a middle aged overweight japanese guy, often a business man, or the anon blob thats become common, that's what I always see, that's what the term refers to to me. I cant recall ever seeing a black guy being portrayed as ugle bastard, tho its not my thing anyway

Yeah you have the description pretty much set though i've also seem ugly guys who were not business men like i've read a few where the ugly guy was homeless.

all in all the posts that IDPet posted aren't even black,

I get that we all read different things and from different places but like i said before every time i've seen a black person in a doujin they tend to be huge buff/fit and be really hung which the girl in the doujin very enjoys that aspect of him.

I can't help but wonder how you'd react to Detective Conan and how it depicts unknown criminals.

This goes for most types of smut, but typically doujins are done in black-and-white, so the artist has to contrast each characters' silhouettes by having different skin tones. At a cursory glance the reader has to know what's going on without thinking too hard. It also helps to keep attention towards the subject as the focus would be on the characters and not the background. There's a movie term for what I'm talking about, but I can't think of it right now; I know action movies do this kind of stuff.

As for the race thing, maybe you are right about your confirmation bias.