HypnoMangaEditor
12/17/15 12:59AM
Discussion: Drawn Images/Manips vs Picture Sets/Mangas on Hypnohub
Hello everyone.

I have a little bit of a grudge against mass posting on the hub and just wanted to know what the rest of the community thinks about it.

So the basic premise is we have artists that draw or manip pictures and spend many hours on them vs. flooding the hub with a whole Manga or picture sets (in 30 unique variations!) that can either be seen on exhentai and to a lesser degree on pixiv or deviantart.

There are 2 concerns I have with the current way things are running.

1. Flooding the Board with these images causes single images that people may have worked hard on to the lower pages. I have seen pictures beeing on page 2 within less than 5 hours. While the community will, in most cases, see this pictures anyway by clicking a single button, this may not be that huge of a problem as I think, but I think most artist want to have at least a little bit of Page 1 exposure, if only for 1-2 days.

2. It may actually lower the traffic on the artists webpage. This is mostly true for picture sets/mangas coming from pixiv and deviantart. They are pretty rare, but they do happen.

My idea would be to simply post one page of the Manga (the one where the mind_control happens) or one picture of a picture set and have the rest linked in the source. Some people already do it that way and it helps keeping the board a little bit less crowded. An exception could be made if the uploader is actually adding translation to the pictures he uploads or a Manga Series that only gets 1 picture every couple of weeks (adding 1 additional page and adding it to the pool of the manga doesn't flood the board).

This would also lower behaviour like uploading a whole Manga without tags and requesting a translation, which does happen as well.

What are your ideas? Are you fine with the way the board works and the amount of pictures, are you getting annoyed by floods or do you just not care? Do you have a better idea that this can be handled? If you do, feel free to post it below. I am especially interested in the opinion of fellow artists, when their picture gets pushed into page 3 within less than a day.

Please remember that a technical solution isn't something that will happen, because the board software isn't worked on anymore and a swap of software is not an option.

Thanks, and please keep the discussion on a constructive level. Bashing/Attacking people with a different opinion will not be tolerated.
Dr_Mabuse
12/17/15 01:31AM
I'm not annoyed with "flooding." It keeps content flowing (else how long would we have to wait on new original images?) and puts all the "relevant" material in one place, so we don't have to search through a manga which may eventually get deleted, or search on a site which we may have to sign up for. Bunches of logins get annoying (pixiv, shitty panda site, fur-affinity, formerly 18+ deviantart...), and may also potentially increase the chances of being "outed." Plus, as you mentioned, the on-site translations are nifty.

As for more exposure... usually, asking for criticism/feedback in the comments helps (since the comments section tends to be an eye-catching bold). I personally also set my newest manip/request as my avatar for about a week, on the rare occasion I actually manip a picture or get a request fulfilled. I believe that helps draw sufficient attention to my pics.
NinjaW
12/17/15 02:42AM
I can agree on this. And I have some solutions to offer.

1.) Mangas need to be hypno-based. Basically, if there isn't AT LEAST a 2:1 on hypnosis strips to non-hypnosis strips, then the whole thing doesn't need to be here. In that case, just post the hypnosis-based ones and link us to the rest.

2.) We don't need 20 versions of the same image. I think after let's say 5-7, the rest are unneeded and just start clogging up board space. Do we need 13 versions of Sakura taking it from behind where all that changes is her facial expression and what drips out of her? No, I say. Maybe just pick the 5 most distinct ones and upload those. Or maybe combine the best elements of the pictures together and link people in the rest.

HypnoMangaEditor said:
This would also lower behaviour like uploading a whole Manga without tags and requesting a translation, which does happen as well.


Honestly, I thought the rule was "If we can't tell what's going on, then it shouldn't be here." If you can't tag it, you can't translate it to English, AND we can't tell what's going on, then it should be posted by you. You're better just send it to someone here who can do one of those three things.
Psi
12/17/15 02:50AM
I know I'll repeat myself, but i.imgur.com/LqgKPNx.jpg
I completely agree with HME. Just post a relevant picture, or 2 maybe, to say "hey guys! This exists!!" and a nice little link to the original picture set/manga. Not the whole manga e.e
Do other boorus post entire hentai? No, most have their own manga section or just don't do that (at least the ones I saw). So pls don't flood the gallery like that, let the artist have traffic on their page and leave everyone the same space on the first page =w=
LittleToyMaker
12/17/15 03:14AM
Y'know what I was wondering the other day? How come we don't have a real-life pictures gallery on here? It could be separate from the main hentai gallery, of course. I think it'd be a pretty neat idea.
PrincessLucina
12/17/15 03:41AM
LittleToyMaker said:
Y'know what I was wondering the other day? How come we don't have a real-life pictures gallery on here? It could be separate from the main hentai gallery, of course. I think it'd be a pretty neat idea.


There used to be real-life pictures on here, I believe they were removed because many were low-grade or not very hypno-relevant.


As a manipper who has had her work shoved to another page, I agree. It's annoying. Just post the title page and link it.
HypnoMangaEditor
12/17/15 07:15AM
Please don't stop posting your opinions, just because I comment on some of them.

Dr_Mabuse said:
I'm not annoyed with "flooding." It keeps content flowing (else how long would we have to wait on new original images?) and puts all the "relevant" material in one place, so we don't have to search through a manga which may eventually get deleted, or search on a site which we may have to sign up for.

Accounts are usually free and easily made. Your Browser keeps track of your logins but I agree, it is extra work. As for the fear of it getting deleted, immediately downloading and saving it on your HDD these days shouldn't be a big issue. Chances of something getting deleted on the big sites you mentioned are rather slim though.

Dr_Mabuse said:
As for more exposure... usually, asking for criticism/feedback in the comments helps (since the comments section tends to be an eye-catching bold). I personally also set my newest manip/request as my avatar for about a week, on the rare occasion I actually manip a picture or get a request fulfilled. I believe that helps draw sufficient attention to my pics.

I strongly disagree with you here. Depending on the tags you use, you may only get 2-3 comments in total, even if you directly ask for it. It's very hard to get people to comment on the picture and not either start discussing something pointless. The Avatar idea was something I tested about 1-2 years ago, but a recognizeable avatar is worth more than always switching.

NinjaW said:
1.) Mangas need to be hypno-based. Basically, if there isn't AT LEAST a 2:1 on hypnosis strips to non-hypnosis strips, then the whole thing doesn't need to be here. In that case, just post the hypnosis-based ones and link us to the rest.

I think it absolutely should be on the page, but just being represented by one picture instead of the whole Manga. If there are only 3 pages with hypno content and somebody wants to add the notes, I'd be fine with 3 pages + the notes being posted.

NinjaW said:
2.) We don't need 20 versions of the same image. I think after let's say 5-7, the rest are unneeded and just start clogging up board space [...] Or maybe combine the best elements of the pictures together and link people in the rest.

5-7 is already too much - unless they are different pictures. If you have a picture set with 3 different characters, I'd be fine if 3 pictures were posted, one for each character, not 15 with 5 variations of each image.

Psi said:
I know I'll repeat myself, but i.imgur.com/LqgKPNx.jpg

I love and hate that comic so much. I love it because it's true, I hate it because it's true ...

LittleToyMaker said:
Y'know what I was wondering the other day? How come we don't have a real-life pictures gallery on here? It could be separate from the main hentai gallery, of course. I think it'd be a pretty neat idea.

Please stay on topic. This isn't relevant to the discussion.
Cradily
12/17/15 09:41AM
This will be more work for the mods/admins, but how about what I did before with hiding posts from index?

Basically you upload the entire image set/manga, and an admin/mod changes it so that only one or two pages of the set are available to be seen on the index. After the image set is bumped off the front page, the admin/mod can then go back in and unhide the images.


I'm aware that users can already do this, I'm just suggesting mods/admins because

Vanndril said:
After a couple of days, when they'd no longer drown the first page or two of new posts, could you unhide them?

There are a few reasons for this:

First off, hiding posts from the index also stops admins and mods from seeing them in the index, too. No big deal, here, but it would be a pain to moderate if too many people started doing this sort of thing.

Secondly, I strongly wish I could restrict that feature to mods and admins - it's only available to most users because I can't restrict it. It's not a feature I want most users using, since it rather defeats the purpose of having an index.
EdgeOfTheMoon
12/17/15 10:12AM
Might sound extreme but personally I'd rather any series of more then 2 or so images had all but the first hidden from the index. Even original stuff. Stops people from having to go back whole pages to avoid stuff they're not interested in

Also it might sound odd but it would be nice if we could lock comments on series apart from the first image. If lots of people comment on different pics from the same series it can clog up the comments page with litterly pages on just one comic series. Don't know if that's possible. I need to brush up on my PHP so I can make changes to the site. Poked around the source a couple of times and it's kinda a mess
HypnoMangaEditor
12/17/15 04:59PM
EdgeOfTheMoon said:
Also it might sound odd but it would be nice if we could lock comments on series apart from the first image.

I have requested this about 2 years ago. It's sadly not possible because the board isn't developed anymore. And we are talking about a major change of the comment system that could cause all kinds of wacky bugs on the whole site. I doubt the mods would risk it unless someone accustomed with both the board and PHP would offer to do this. And thats not going to happen.
Ogodei-Khan
12/17/15 05:36PM
1 page only usually isn't nearly enough. I try to stick to the good parts when i post something across, but things can scale up pretty quickly.
HypnoMangaEditor
12/19/15 12:01AM
So would you guys think that making a rule to limit the amount of flooding is something desirable? Of course, we would still need to talk to the admins/mods for that and figure out a middleground, so that it's not too limiting, not to much work for the admins and not interrupting traffic on the page, while still being an improvement.

Or do you guys think this would be to complicated and not worth it?
pokefannafekop
12/19/15 03:57AM
It'd be nice if we could upload as folders, and just have the top page or two as a thumbnail for the whole deal.
MilesHypnoPrower
12/19/15 04:05AM
pokefannafekop said:
It'd be nice if we could upload as folders, and just have the top page or two as a thumbnail for the whole deal.


Perhaps not the top page or two, but rather the first and last two, so that there are only four at most images shown of any pool -- enough to get to the pool and find images in the middle, but not overcrowding the hub.
HypnoMangaEditor
12/19/15 07:11AM
pokefannafekop said:
It'd be nice if we could upload as folders, and just have the top page or two as a thumbnail for the whole deal.


HypnoMangaEditor said:
Please remember that a technical solution isn't something that will happen, because the board software isn't worked on anymore and a swap of software is not an option.
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