LearOnAWind
02/05/17 01:13PM
Hypnotized to feel what's going on in RPs?
I've met a few people on Tranceland that say they've been hypnotized to feel what's going on in RPs. I'm still wildly skeptical about it and I would love an explanation for this.
Pastel-Daemon
02/05/17 01:28PM
Might wanna retitle this one on account of the no clickbait rule.

As for the feeling, I kinda' figure real hypnosis is a lil bit placebo-y anyway, so the level of success'll depend part on how vividly you can imagine things anyway/how well the tist can paint the mental picture for you, but I don't really think it's that outlandish anyway if you're willing to accept the idea of hypnotizing people in general? My own personal experience is bit limited though and I tend not to get very deep myself.
Whisper
02/05/17 07:01PM
As a ex common member of Tranceland and hypnotist, I can understand your scepticism.
It is far from impossible however to feel actions described via text or voice in a physical way.
There are indeed a lot of ways the mind can affect the body (Psychosomatic ailments, PTSD, etc...)
It revolves mostly on the same mechanics as a Placebo, like Paste-Deamon mentionned but would be more effective on very suggestible subjects. During trance, physical and visual hallucinations are indeed possible, through manipulation of both senses, memory and imagination.
As a hypnotist, using memories and imagination to allow a subject to perceive sensation is feasible.
Now depending on the strength and willingness of a subject to accept such a suggestion as "You will now be able to feel what others do to you." the effects and depth of the sensations perceived would vary, and therefore it is possible on a case by case basis depending on the individuals.
kirux
02/05/17 07:50PM
LearOnAWind said:
I've met a few people on Tranceland that say they've been hypnotized to feel what's going on in RPs. I'm still wildly skeptical about it and I would love an explanation for this.


According to trained hypnotist I've talked to about this about 1 out of 5 people can experience the level of hallucination required for physical interaction and seeing things that aren't there. He doesn't know why, but that's just the number he's come to after years of experience, so take it with a grain of salt. Because of this number some people may only be role-playing but other's might be actively entering a meditative/altered mind state. I'm not certain whether or not there have been studies on whether or not the meditative state is an altered set of consciousness, and that some people just can't meditate, but I'd be willing to assume that the two are incredibly similar as, this is just personal, they feel incredibly similar. I for one have experienced intense visual, auditory and physical hallucinations while doing both meditation and hypnosis(from my boyfriend in person). Over text it's definitely harder than in person because the most important thing a hypnotist needs is to be reading how the subject is physically responding to the induction. (Muscles relaxing, eye movement, goosebumps).

demonjacobs666
02/06/17 01:29AM
apparently it's just how brains are wired up.if you can feel stuff in your dreams, then you can feel stuff while in a trance, for the most part
EoD
02/06/17 02:13AM
As someone who has a similar trigger I'll explain it like this.

I don't ACTUALLY feel what is happening, however I get a phantom sensation that makes me think of whatever was said.

For example, if the person who gave me the trigger says she hugs me in italics, I feel a sensation around my arms and chest, that makes me THINK of being hugged.

Another example is she said she rubbed her nose against mine, and my nose twitched in response.

It's all mind over matter really.
Pinkanator
02/06/17 02:56AM
I should note that is almost certainly asking about me.

Because anyone who's ever spent time with me knows that I do.
Vanndril
02/07/17 01:29AM
EoD said:
As someone who has a similar trigger I'll explain it like this.

I don't ACTUALLY feel what is happening, however I get a phantom sensation that makes me think of whatever was said.

For example, if the person who gave me the trigger says she hugs me in italics, I feel a sensation around my arms and chest, that makes me THINK of being hugged.

Another example is she said she rubbed her nose against mine, and my nose twitched in response.

It's all mind over matter really.


That is...actually really fascinating.

Little known fact about me is that I have this fascination with human psychology. I'm possibly more intrigued by hypnosis than I am aroused by it, and hypnofetish is my biggest fetish. Having a first-hand description of the effects of suggestions is like my holy grail.

So, thanks for sharing this. :3

*goes on a mumbling rant about the effects of hypnotic suggestion on the mind's ability to correlate*
kirux
02/07/17 01:44AM
EoD said:
As someone who has a similar trigger I'll explain it like this.

I don't ACTUALLY feel what is happening, however I get a phantom sensation that makes me think of whatever was said.

For example, if the person who gave me the trigger says she hugs me in italics, I feel a sensation around my arms and chest, that makes me THINK of being hugged.

Another example is she said she rubbed her nose against mine, and my nose twitched in response.

It's all mind over matter really.


I'm not sure I can understand your distinction between "feel" and "phantom sensation". As for my personal experience, one thing my partner has done is give me a trigger to make me believe I am in some public area. (Usually a bus or a store.) If he says that trigger. I will see those surroundings and those surroundings will be all I can register even if I open my eyes (which I usually can't because I'm embarrassed as hell). Kind of like when you dream, you see things, in the moment, those things are completely real, post fact, yes I can recognize "no I wasn't actually there and those things didn't happen." But in the moment I never would call myself personally aware that it is a "phantom sensation".

This is all me trying to understand what you're distinction between "phantom sensation" and "feel" is. Is the difference just if you are aware it isn't really happening? Much like how an amputee knows the sensation shouldn't be there in his amputated arm but it is?
akaece
02/07/17 01:57AM
I don't really understand this discussion at all given that it's literally all in your imagination. If you believe that hypnosis over text chat has any meaningful effect, why wouldn't you believe that it has this particular capability? For the record, all the "real hypno rp" stuff makes me cringe every time someone asks me about doing it; in my mind it's clearly all just people bullshitting themselves in an inefficient way - but if you're going to swallow that pill in the first place, what's stopping you from believing that it can do this sort of thing?
kirux
02/07/17 02:03AM
akaece said:
For the record, all the "real hypno rp" stuff makes me cringe every time someone asks me about doing it; in my mind it's clearly all just people bullshitting themselves in an inefficient way - but if you're going to swallow that pill in the first place, what's stopping you from believing that it can do this sort of thing?


So we'll put you firmly in the "all hypnosis is roleplay" camp. OP's question is basically, is Hypnosis just people roleplaying, or is it actually an altered mental state when people in Tranceland talk about it? At least as far I as I have understood his question phrasing and how complicated that question is in Psychology.
akaece
02/07/17 05:05AM
kirux said:
So we'll put you firmly in the "all hypnosis is roleplay" camp. OP's question is basically, is Hypnosis just people roleplaying, or is it actually an altered mental state when people in Tranceland talk about it? At least as far I as I have understood his question phrasing and how complicated that question is in Psychology.


All text hypnosis. I've got no opinion one way or the other on professional therapeutic hypnosis, and stage hypnosis is "real" in its own way. But as for his question, I took it to mean "people hypnotize each other here, and I believe that, but they say they hypnotize each other to feel things, and I don't know if I should believe that." That seems like a strange dilemma to be in, since if you accept the idea that they really do hypnotize each other, I don't see any obstacle between that and making each other think they're feeling things, since that's like a core element of any "real" hypnosis.
kirux
02/07/17 05:49AM
akaece said:
All text hypnosis. I've got no opinion one way or the other on professional therapeutic hypnosis, and stage hypnosis is "real" in its own way. But as for his question, I took it to mean "people hypnotize each other here, and I believe that, but they say they hypnotize each other to feel things, and I don't know if I should believe that." That seems like a strange dilemma to be in, since if you accept the idea that they really do hypnotize each other, I don't see any obstacle between that and making each other think they're feeling things, since that's like a core element of any "real" hypnosis.


He specifically mentioned RPs in his post so I went with the fact he considered it to be just roleplay but some people said that it was real and he came here wondering if there was proof, evident in that he said "I'm still wildly skeptical about it and I would love an explanation for this."
akaece
02/07/17 06:56AM
kirux said:
He specifically mentioned RPs in his post so I went with the fact he considered it to be just roleplay but some people said that it was real and he came here wondering if there was proof, evident in that he said "I'm still wildly skeptical about it and I would love an explanation for this."


Fair enough, I guess he could have meant "hypnotized beforehand through some other IRL means to feel roleplays potentially unrelated to hypnosis." I kinda doubt that, given he's talking about "tranceland" - but maybe. In that case, long-term suggestions like that are way beyond the realistic scope of a professional hypnotist, let alone whoever you Skype with. Placebo can do phantom sensations for a while, though, until your brain gets bored of keeping them up, (in my experience,) so could be that they do "feel" something.
EoD
02/07/17 08:20AM
kirux said:
I'm not sure I can understand your distinction between "feel" and "phantom sensation".


Do you know what Phantom Pain is? It's when a person has lost a limb, and even though that body part is no longer there, the nervous system and brain keep feeling sensations from it, namely pain. It can take months for phantom pain to go away, and through out it the individual feels not only the pain, but as if the body part was still there fully functional.

A Phantom Sensation is like that, just without the agony and pain. Your brain is convinced you've felt something, so it triggers a reaction in your nervous system.
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