Furrwhore
11/07/19 07:35AM
False Reports
Hey all, I'm very new here. One of my posts was flagged for "The eyes looking like windows xp screensaver", whatever the hell that means. It was deleted for some reason? Is there a rule against windows xp on this site I was unaware of? Another one of my posts was reported for "No hypno at all" even though there was a caption literally about some guy becoming a servant and losing his free will. I'm afraid that'll get deleted too. What should I do? If I upload them again will I get punished? Thanks
Hypnosis-guy
11/07/19 08:04AM
Furrwhore said:
One of my posts was flagged for "The eyes looking like windows xp screensaver", whatever the hell that means. It was deleted for some reason? Is there a rule against windows xp on this site I was unaware of?


No, I'm pretty sure that was a "low quality" report meant to insult you.
RedCollarBlackCollar
11/07/19 08:12AM
So some things to address:

1. When you post a manip, you should be including a source link to where you found the art (which you did), and including a tag for the artist (which you didn't do). Not tagging an artist has nothing to do with the post getting deleted, though it is highly encouraged to credit artists whenever possible for their work, especially when it's being manipped.

2. False reports/flags are not a thing, at least as far as getting posts automatically removed. I can't say as for why your particular post was removed, though I will say that sometimes, deleted posts will not update the reason given by staff for its deletion. So the former reason put up by a user can sometimes remain, and therefore not be fully accurate for why the post got pulled.

3. Adding only text to an image is in no way against the rules. However, there has been a push within the last year or so to try and have posts be more focused on depicting MC and not be fully left to ambiguity. Hence why only adding text may not fully suffice at times, as you could arguably justify any images with hypnosis-related text and no further editing being allowed here. There are of course exceptions to this, though at the end of the day, hypnosis and MC depictions should be the main focus, and not exclusively the text carrying it. That way, it's less likely to be argued over.

4. If you feel strongly about certain posts being removed and want to have them appealed, feel free to DM a mod or admin to discuss it. There's no guarantee it'll be reinstated, yet it never hurts to at least speak to someone directly on the matter.

5. As a new user, you'll have a bit of leeway when it comes to making certain mistakes. So unless you're spamming the site, being incredibly hostile or posting illegal or highly questionable material, you shouldn't worry about getting punished or anything like that right away. If you have any other specific questions, you're free to DM me or another staff member for help.

Sorry if that didn't give a clear answer to what you were asking, though I do hope things can get worked out for ya eventually.
EoD
11/07/19 08:31AM
Hypnosis-guy said:
No, I'm pretty sure that was a "low quality" report meant to insult you.


This basically. There is a minimum quality for something to stay up. As a result most flags are for being below that metric. However there are a few users who seem to have a thorn bush up their ass and take it upon themselves to either be judge jury and executioner with their OWN quality metric (awhile back someone was mass flagging manips and specifically targeting two manippers) or to insult people with their flags.
TA75
11/07/19 11:19AM
Furrwhore said:
Hey all, I'm very new here. One of my posts was flagged for "The eyes looking like windows xp screensaver", whatever the hell that means. It was deleted for some reason? Is there a rule against windows xp on this site I was unaware of? Another one of my posts was reported for "No hypno at all" even though there was a caption literally about some guy becoming a servant and losing his free will. I'm afraid that'll get deleted too. What should I do? If I upload them again will I get punished? Thanks

I've been posting for a while and still am not clear on all this stuff. So the only thing you can do really is ask around and not take things personally =/

RedCollarBlackCollar said:
3. Adding only text to an image is in no way against the rules. However, there has been a push within the last year or so to try and have posts be more focused on depicting MC and not be fully left to ambiguity. Hence why only adding text may not fully suffice at times, as you could arguably justify any images with hypnosis-related text and no further editing being allowed here. There are of course exceptions to this, though at the end of the day, hypnosis and MC depictions should be the main focus, and not exclusively the text carrying it. That way, it's less likely to be argued over.

One of my posts was deleted a few days ago for "0 mc in art". Is it safe to assume there was some other reason, since (judging by the existence of other caption-only posts) that's not grounds for deletion on its own? If so, it seems like that reason should be listed, to help people post better content.
KarmaX
11/07/19 07:30PM
Hypnosis-guy said:
No, I'm pretty sure that was a "low quality" report meant to insult you.


....As is the most repugnant plague on this place, specifically, in recent times. The main thing that personally, makes this place much harder to enjoy than it was in the past when I first signed up, for sure. Not so much that i've had to deal with it, except for when someone brazen enough to pull that crap did so directly and NOT through a flag, which I was able to more or less laugh off. But more so because i'm well past tired of seeing this happen to other people around here. It might not SEEM like a big deal, but it actually does a LOT to make the entire place feel unwelcoming.

Honestly, the false flaggers on this site are an emblematic symptom of an overall overshadowing problem as far as I can see, and those people doing this SHOULD be incredibly ashamed of themselves, that is... if they had the decency and the self-realization capacity to be able to do that.

Either way, if you ask me... the flag system is, barring some good examples of responsible moderation, overall not being used legitimately. It's more often being used to be anonymously passive-aggressively obnoxious to other people for petty and selfish reasons. Thing is, I don't know why this isn't being addressed or seemingly taken seriously.

But whatever, that's just my take.
Zombifier
11/07/19 07:35PM
I don't post here much anymore for this reason. If people want to be that shitty about things, I guess it's a sign that they don't want free kink art. Simple solution for me was to just stop providing it.
KarmaX
11/07/19 07:42PM
Zombifier said:
I don't post here much anymore for this reason. If people want to be that shitty about things, I guess it's a sign that they don't want free kink art. Simple solution for me was to just stop providing it.


Truth.
NamesAreForTheWeak
11/07/19 10:06PM
KarmaX said:

Either way, if you ask me... the flag system is, barring some good examples of responsible moderation, overall not being used legitimately. It's more often being used to be anonymously passive-aggressively obnoxious to other people for petty and selfish reasons. Thing is, I don't know why this isn't being addressed or seemingly taken seriously.

But whatever, that's just my take.


From what I remember, flagging used to not be anonymous back when the Hub first started. This was changed at some point, and from then on the flag system just became a vehicle for the Greater Internet F***wad Theory for the most part.
godzillahomer
11/07/19 11:52PM
NamesAreForTheWeak said:
From what I remember, flagging used to not be anonymous back when the Hub first started. This was changed at some point, and from then on the flag system just became a vehicle for the Greater Internet F***wad Theory for the most part.


it's changed though, I can see who the flagger is

not going to say how so they don't get people harassing them, but it's very easy to see who's doing it if you know how

KarmaX said:
....As is the most repugnant plague on this place, specifically, in recent times. The main thing that personally, makes this place much harder to enjoy than it was in the past when I first signed up, for sure. Not so much that i've had to deal with it, except for when someone brazen enough to pull that crap did so directly and NOT through a flag, which I was able to more or less laugh off. But more so because i'm well past tired of seeing this happen to other people around here. It might not SEEM like a big deal, but it actually does a LOT to make the entire place feel unwelcoming.

Honestly, the false flaggers on this site are an emblematic symptom of an overall overshadowing problem as far as I can see, and those people doing this SHOULD be incredibly ashamed of themselves, that is... if they had the decency and the self-realization capacity to be able to do that.

Either way, if you ask me... the flag system is, barring some good examples of responsible moderation, overall not being used legitimately. It's more often being used to be anonymously passive-aggressively obnoxious to other people for petty and selfish reasons. Thing is, I don't know why this isn't being addressed or seemingly taken seriously.

But whatever, that's just my take.


the flagging system is so toxic to me, I won't use it except for the worst of worst cases, like spambots uploading pictures
Changer
11/08/19 12:29AM
Hypnosis-guy said:
No, I'm pretty sure that was a "low quality" report meant to insult you.


Can there be a rule against that? Can mods still see who leaves a report? There is no reason I can see to be inflammatory, degrading, or insulting in the report message. It's already stressful enough to get flagged, being insulted/attacked in the flag text is just trying to start a fight.
Furrwhore
11/12/19 03:36AM
Yeah the post that got reported was deleted too. I don't wanna have to say "this is hypnosis this is hypnosis!" every 2 seconds to remind the ADD babies who report my shit that it is, in fact, hypnosis. Gotta be subtle, y'know? Gotta assume people can infer that. Oh well, rant over. I'll just stay pissy and accept the fact that some people on here are actually physically 7 years old
NamesAreForTheWeak
11/14/19 01:17AM
RedCollarBlackCollar said:
So some things to address:

~snip to the relevant part~

3. Adding only text to an image is in no way against the rules. However, there has been a push within the last year or so to try and have posts be more focused on depicting MC and not be fully left to ambiguity. Hence why only adding text may not fully suffice at times, as you could arguably justify any images with hypnosis-related text and no further editing being allowed here. There are of course exceptions to this, though at the end of the day, hypnosis and MC depictions should be the main focus, and not exclusively the text carrying it. That way, it's less likely to be argued over.


... Lemme just put my 2 cents here. There's a caption_only tag, right?

Considering there's apparently "push" (from whom? Certainly not a majority of users from what I'm seeing) towards "anything that fits this tag's definition should be deleted", why even have the tag?

Tags are there, in part, so anyone who doesn't like certain content can filter it out via the blacklist. I vote for simply being more attentive with adding the caption_only tag to images from now on and letting the blacklist do its work, rather than deleting perfectly good manips for not having slapped a random spiral/pendulum/whatever into the image.
Hawkeye
11/14/19 01:22AM
NamesAreForTheWeak said:
... Lemme just put my 2 cents here. There's a caption_only tag, right?

Considering there's apparently "push" (from whom? Certainly not a majority of users from what I'm seeing) towards "anything that fits this tag's definition should be deleted", why even have the tag?

Tags are there, in part, so anyone who doesn't like certain content can filter it out via the blacklist. I vote for simply being more attentive with adding the caption_only tag to images from now on and letting the blacklist do its work, rather than deleting perfectly good manips for not having slapped a random spiral/pendulum/whatever into the image.


Not to mention, for some reason all of my manips have to be tagged as "caption_only" because that tag has a second, completely unrelated meaning where even if the pic clearly already has mind control in it (as in if you commissioned obviously MC art) but your role in manipping the image was only to add text, that's also "caption_only". So if that tag were ever mass-deleted... by the current rules of the tag all of my work would be gone in an instant.
Argonis
11/14/19 01:57AM
Hawkeye said:
Not to mention, for some reason all of my manips have to be tagged as "caption_only" because that tag has a second, completely unrelated meaning where even if the pic clearly already has mind control in it (as in if you commissioned obviously MC art) but your role in manipping the image was only to add text, that's also "caption_only". So if that tag were ever mass-deleted... by the current rules of the tag all of my work would be gone in an instant.


That might be automated by the site.
I don't know how it works but I just know that if something is tagged enough times it becomes auto tagged when certain other tags are applied.
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