Fic
08/16/22 12:13AM
Why would I entertain misinformation?


Learn that word recently, did you? You are thoroughly dishonest.

It's very much *not* ambiguous, it's very obvious.


Yes. Bridget is listed a boy in the Japanese bio. There isn't any in-universe justification that he is anything but a male.

Again, people are now only questioning the canon of Strive's endings *after* one of the characters comes out as trans. Curious!


But he didn't come out as trans, did he? You're making it up. He jokes that he's a girl; (with a male symbol) in the original version. This is pure and utter cultural imperialism.


The only 'side' I'm on is the facts.

You already decided your position before any info arrived. And facts to you are like garlic to a vampire.


Oh, I bet you thought this was some sort of smart own.

Of course not. I've never stoop that low unless someone smugly declared that others were ignorant of decades old canon, while insinuating that they were an authority.

But no lore from the past was changed.

Correct. No lore has changed; but you're pretending it has.

is new lore from the creator of GG himself, Daisuke


Really? Then why haven't the Japanese terms changed? Why are Japanese fans appealing to Daisuke to make it known that Bridget is a boy to fight back against western cultural theft?

Bridget is easily one of the most non important characters in GG lore.


Then why is it so important that you turn him into a transgender?

Then maybe don't deny a trans character's existence and you won't be called that label.


You sound like a twitter bot.

There it is everyone! Completely wrong information about Bridget's backstory! If Bridget's parents were cultish, they would've exiled her as a baby or worse, kill her.


No, very few cults in history have killed their children. You're making stuff up. They were cultish because they raised their boy as a girl because of their adherence to superstition.

The grooming also makes no sense because even after being raised as a girl, she spent a good portion of her life as a male, to prove the superstition wrong.


"They only groomed him for the majority of his childhood! Nothing serious, you transphobe!"

leading her on her Strive story of self discovery and finding that she is trans.


American claptrap. Or, in my own words, utter bollocks.

Funny that the Japanese arcade mode for Bridget is the same as in English.


Stop lying.

There is no male symbol when she says she's a girl in English and Japanese.


Dude, I know you haven't checked, but yeah it is there.

This is not even remotely the same.

I know. Back then, the majority felt confident to push back against the appropriation of a legacy character.

Where the hell is journalists coming from?


This whole spiel is being pushed by gun-jumping journos.
Facepalmunited
08/16/22 12:23AM
Polarisbow said:
words


I hate to distill the stuff you're saying down so much, but this feels like the kind of people that will go through 10 pages of google search results just to find an article that supports their position, with how you're ignoring all the stuff we're tabling on the basis that it's misinformation.

Since you say you're unfamiliar, Gwyndolin is a character from Dark Souls who was born male but due to the circumstances of his birth was raised as a woman by his parents. He hides behind an illusory form of his sister to avoid people learning the truth.

The only thing Fic shouldn't have shot at you with is the topic of tournaments, but aside from that it seems like you're deflecting and selectively ignoring information that doesn't suit you. I've examined the stuff that the trans position has tabled so far, and I've provided context that indicates it isn't as clear cut as you say, or might even be opposite of that... and you seem to be not listening, and only selectively addressing points you think you can take on.

I think Fic can address your responses to him/her point by point if they choose to, but as a quickfire for some other stuff:
-Canon in arcade mode is implicitly kinda shakey, I just figured I'd make that statement explicit, not to mention this only became important after we had people acting as if Bridget's statement in one of multiple endings was an end-all-be-all
-I've seen you and others talk about how unimportant Bridget is and how it's just fighting game writing. If that's the case why does it matter so much to you that they be designated as trans?
-Being forced to live as the opposite gender because of a backwards superstition is the fucked up part, and while I don't know if I agree with the descriptor of cult-ish, it doesn't take away from this being really uncomfy rep.
-Ky talks about being true to himself, not coming out, and if Bridget has been told by everyone close to him that he's supposed to be a girl, but he became a bounty hunter to prove his masculinity, then it could go either way what being true to oneself means in that context.
-Oldest or most famous doesn't matter. Bridget came decades before Astolfo and I know inspired people to break gender norms for themselves.
-The Japanese localization of Bridget's bio still uses exclusively male pronouns.
-The stuff with Samus and Bridget stem from the same thing- Journalists trying to drum up clicks by making a big, out-there statement. The topic of journalists are coming from the wealth of articles that are claiming that Bridget is 100% trans no take-backs, some of them event more than happy to omit the fact that there are multiple endings.

Edit: Fix beat me to it, whoops!
CoolHypno
08/16/22 12:25AM
Fic said:

Are you even aware that the line Bridget uses (in one ending) that is the entire support for the entire transgender argument has Bridget saying "That's right, I'm a a girl~" with the male symbol included with the word 'girl'?


May you explain further please? It isn't present in the English version. I can't read Japanese and machine translation is unreliable, so I would appreciate it if you could explain further. Thank you.

From what I can tell I'm pretty certain Bridget is trans. Bridget's story in Strive doesn't make sense to me looking at it from the angle of her being male. Her parents raised her to pretend to be female, as they wanted to protect her. Bridget knew this, and left the village to prove that male twins do not bring misfortune. Bridget succeeds in this goal, and the superstition faded. The superstition fading doesn't make sense if the village still thought Bridget was a girl, as the superstition was about twin males, a girl causing it to fade away doesn't make sense. At this point, everybody in the village knew she was a boy. What does she need to come out about? What hasn't she told her parents? With Goldlewis and Ky encouraging her to do what makes her happy, she realizes she's happier as a girl. She's spent years trying to prove she's strong, and to become more manly, and she realized this doesn't really make her happy. She's had a lot of opportunity to dress and act manly, but she doesn't. It doesn't make her feel better. Being a girl makes her happier. To me, her story makes far more sense this way. Bridget wasn't truly happy being male, and so she chooses to be a girl instead.
Argonis
08/16/22 12:25AM
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.
Facepalmunited
08/16/22 12:29AM
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.


I'm not sure what you mean by this but people are referring to the real world transgender phenomena, which isn't unheard of in guilty gear's setting since we know Testament identifies as neuter.

This one is just all so muddied :(
Pinkanator
08/16/22 12:32AM
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.


Bridget was born a boy, raised as a girl to avoid superstition. In their last appearance, they set out to prove they were a strong male by becoming a successful bounty hunter. Now, years later, they've been accepted as a male, but this STILL hasn't brought them any kind of closure or satisfaction, and their story is about realizing they can be happy as both a strong bounty hunter, AND a girl, just by being truly honest with herself.
Argonis
08/16/22 12:33AM
Facepalmunited said:
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.


I'm not sure what you mean by this but people are referring to the real world transgender phenomena, which isn't unheard of in guilty gear's setting since we know Testament identifies as neuter.

This one is just all so muddied :(


what i mean is as far as i know, Bridget knows that he/she was raised as a girl Bridget knows that he/she is really male. as far as i know Bridget hasn't shown to want to be a girl of her own free will but was raised to be but her parents but ultimately know's that he's a male. infact bridget cause say he identifies as male but has to identify as female cause of the superstition but ultimately knows and wants to be male but depending on what ending again i'm going by from whats been said here if everything here said is true then how is Bridget trans.
Fic
08/16/22 12:35AM
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.


I feel you, dude. It's weird American politics at play.

Apologies to 90% of Americans. They majority of you are the best.
Facepalmunited
08/16/22 12:38AM


Also I almost forgot! I saw this but unless MTL is fucky it's translating pronouns referring to Bridget as both male and female so idk if that's the machine, the developer being coy, or something else.
DarkSentry
08/16/22 12:42AM
Facepalmunited said:


Also I almost forgot! I saw this but unless MTL is fucky it's translating pronouns referring to Bridget as both male and female so idk if that's the machine, the developer being coy, or something else.


The interview was made before Bridget was announced as DLC, so the people that translated this at the time just used male pronoums since that was the estabilished canon. And MTL usually fucks them up since japanese uses neutral options often.
Orphaen
08/16/22 12:42AM
Fic said:
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.
Argonis said:
So just so i understand from everything that's been said. Bridget hasn't changed from a boy to a girl but only was raised as a girl cause of some superstition. so if biological bridget is male and the only reason bridget would say that he/she was female is cause bridget is too shy/scared to go against these traditions but is ultimately biologically and mentally male.

why are people saying bridget is trans when bridget has never undergone any sort of TRANSformation from one gender to another.


I feel you, dude. It's weird American politics at play.

Apologies to 90% of Americans. They majority of you are the best.


Just curious, who would you classify as the remaining 10% of Americans who aren't the best?
Facepalmunited
08/16/22 01:07AM
DarkSentry said:
The interview was made before Bridget was announced as DLC, so the people that translated this at the time just used male pronoums since that was the estabilished canon. And MTL usually fucks them up since japanese uses neutral options often.


Hmmm, that doesn't really help the ambiguity then... I'm not sure what we can do with this.
Mindwipe
08/16/22 01:12AM
I really don't like the direction this thread is headed.

Also, not sure I like the implication that trans people are just an American thing.
Facepalmunited
08/16/22 01:17AM
Mindwipe said:
I really don't like the direction this thread is headed.

Also, not sure I like the implication that trans people are just an American thing.


I'm sorry, I think most of us are trying to remain respectful but it feels like a lot of users are showing up just to stir the pot, or getting vindictive when they see stuff that isn't to their liking.

I'm trying to be respectful but people keep acting so rude. :(

Edit: Typo
CoolHypno
08/16/22 01:22AM
Mindwipe said:
I really don't like the direction this thread is headed.

Also, not sure I like the implication that trans people are just an American thing.


I agree, that implication is rather concerning to me.
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