kharonalpua
07/17/14 06:38AM
It's a shame about the manga, but there was a very interesting discussion going on earlier in this thread that I'd like to comment on:

Mental Age Regression is actually one of my big turn-ons. With the caveat that I'm not into bodily waste being involved. If Hypnosis/MC is a Grade A+ turn-on for me, something that will make any mundane thing sexy, pee and poop are Grade S+ (S is above A, right?) turn-offs -- they have a stronger negative reaction from me than my positive reaction to hypnosis/MC.

The trick is how you _use_ that mental age regression. There are a huge number of options, and some are more easily sexualized than others. One I like is "replacing time". The age regression is used to plant ideas in the "child mind", so they act like they've been there for years one the subject wakes up or is restored to adulthood. Another could be simply re-invigorating a partner who has lost passion (particularly due to age, but it could be for other reasons). Or it could just be a way for an immature 'tist to get his girlfriend to do "childish" things with him (watching cartoons, perhaps) for a while.

I can definitely see that there's a lot of untapped potential in the field of mental age regression. For example, because most fetishists are interested in young adult subjects, the only options for regression are children or babies, but if you allow the idea of a middle-aged or senior being age regressed, there are more options, and benefits, to the mental age regression.

We also tend to focus on endpoints. That's partially because with image manips, we tend to only have a still image that may not be part of a series, and we want to focus on the start or the end of an encounter. But the middle can be one of the best parts, sexiest if done well because we get to see the change, not just the ending.

And it has humor use that can still be sexy or fun. Age regression, though, is typically used (in the stuff I've seen) in ways I don't find sexy, or that I find sexy only because of the hypnosis. I would love to see more mental age regression stuff that explores the possibilities, rather than just resorting to incontinence or using it to punish someone.
LittleToyMaker
07/17/14 09:16AM
Ogodei-Khan said:
Could've done this like the infamous Laruffi did, too, and just put a big black box over the one part to keep it from the fjords, though Laruffi's infamous for a reason.

^^ and though i sort of agree with your position, your tone really isn't helping. HME could have good reasons for this (although i've cleared two federal background checks since my first foray into producing content like this, so i don't quite know what he's scared of)


Censorship is destroying what the creator originally intended. I say again, if he didn't want to be associated with loli, the solution is not to censor the original work, but to not have done it in the first place.
HypnoMangaEditor
07/17/14 09:48AM
LittleToyMaker said:
This really is such a stupid argument. It isn't even a good doujin. Age regression my ass. So she apparently gets hypnotized and then says 2 or 3 vaguely innocent things before going full-on slut mode for the rest of the manga. No, that's not age regression...


To be honest, I think the doujin is pretty weak after Page 14, too. It's one of the reasons I don't like sex in age regression content. Also ...

HypnoMangaEditor said:
Still, I am not comfortable with sexual intercourse in age regression manga. It's a thin line.


But I still think the induction is pretty good. Thing is, after Translating 20 Pages and seeing that the last couple of them weren't really good hypnosis wise (was hoping to be more stuff in the translation), I was not going to stop the translation. That would have been ridiculously unfair to Stem_Cell who did a great job of cleaning the previous 20 images.

As far as your other complaint goes - by tag definition of the site the Manga is lolicon. One picture of a naked girl making it lolicon was certainly not what I expected - which was my bad. I don't really associate with lolicon content anywhere, so that's why I never bothered to check it on e-hentai. My definition for a lolicon manga either focuses on sex with very young girls (storywise) and/or shows it, but thats just it, my definition, not the one of the page. I was a little bit worried about Page 13. I found it questionable. I still didn't think it would have that kind of impact. If you think that is stupid or naive, then you have your answer - it is honestly what I thought. 2 People worked hard on that Manga to make it available to everyone and seeing that work going down the drain hurts me. I can kind of understand e-hentai being so (from my perspective) picky about this, because they have to remove this content on e-hentai and make it only available on exhentai. They probably have some law as well. I never expected them to change the tag of a 2 year old gallery though.

Just to give you a good comparison - they flagged Saimin Yuugi as lolicon as well. I personally cannot remember a lolicon character to be in that game and I have played the game quite a bit. It shows how different people can see some things, but in the end it comes down to the admins/mods to decide. And if this is how they decide, I'll just not translate these Mangas in the future anymore.

LittleToyMaker said:
Censorship is destroying what the creator originally intended. I say again, if he didn't want to be associated with loli, the solution is not to censor the original work, but to not have done it in the first place.

After having one night sleep, I agree with the censorship. I'd rather not posted the translation at all, then to change the original work. It feels wrong to do it.

In the end, this might be a good lesson. I'll probably stop doing any content from here on out, finishing the Manga with Nell-Chrome and then retiring. I don't feel like being yelled at by people after putting so much effort into making content for them.
Vanndril
07/17/14 10:54AM
If you do get it taken down, do you mind if someone else uploads it? I mean, the way I see it, the problem is that it's connected to your name, right? If someone else reuploads it while leaving the translator anonymous, then it shouldn't be a problem, I figure.
Mindwipe
07/17/14 11:15AM
HypnoMangaEditor said:
In the end, this might be a good lesson. I'll probably stop doing any content from here on out, finishing the Manga with Nell-Chrome and then retiring. I don't feel like being yelled at by people after putting so much effort into making content for them.


You'd stop making all content over this? No one is yelling at you for the work you did, only for wanting to throw it all away over one tag.
CCCM89
07/17/14 12:53PM
Mindwipe said:
You'd stop making all content over this? No one is yelling at you for the work you did, only for wanting to throw it all away over one tag.


so she's "Phil Fish"ing?
Underscore
07/17/14 06:31PM
HypnoMangaEditor said:
I'll probably stop doing any content from here on out, finishing the Manga with Nell-Chrome and then retiring. I don't feel like being yelled at by people after putting so much effort into making content for them.


NO! Never quit! Your content is a blessing! Ever since Your first manga manip I have been a huge fan of Your work, and every manip after wards I have loved to read! You translated one of my favorite mangas and I could not give less of a damn if it has one frame of loli! And not only that, now you are making a manga Yourself With Nell-chrome!

I feel like you are on the way to becomming something BIG. You started of manipping like all of us but look where you are now! You have translated a Whole manga by yourself and are in the process of writing/making one!

I wont allow one of my biggest manipping idols just walk away, never!

I dont care what you do forward, if you want to continue and evolve into maybe only making mangas or if you want to og back to making only manips, just as long as you dont quit.

Might not be much. but everytime you make something I will allways be there to see, enjoy and favorite it.


(Apologies for the most likely horrible grammar)

Regards:
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HypnoMangaEditor
07/18/14 02:02AM
A small update. The Gallery will stay on exhentai and there will be neither edits nor pages removed. I cannot do anything about it so I'll stop pestering them. It's not a good idea to piss of admins, they are just doing their job and I was uninformed as someone posting rarely there.

Mindwipe said:
You'd stop making all content over this? No one is yelling at you for the work you did, only for wanting to throw it all away over one tag.


Translations are an immense amount of work for me. If I have as much grief with it as I had with this one the past couple of days, counting both E-Hentai Forums and the reactions here, plus the fact that my problem wasn't actually resolved, kind of overshadows the positive reactions quite a bit. I know it isn't basically related to the work I did, but in the end it happened because I made the translation in the first place. Everything else just fell into place.
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