HypnoHub - The Thinnest Line Possible

SomeCallMeSalty

01/19/16 10:44PM

The Thinnest Line Possible

Okay, so uh... This is gonna get kinda heavy in terms of debate. First off, child pornography is wrong. It's a terrible thing, for terrible people. I'm gonna say that flat out. Like... If you honestly think child porn is cool, you can just go. I mean I'm okay if it's like... A 16 year old? Maybe? But if it's a fucking 8 year old or something like that, it's not cool. Now, onto the actual subject of debate. What exactly is the fine line between child pornography, and something such as loli/shota? Because already I've seen some pretty disgusting things on the Hub, and I am seriously getting sick of it even being here. I'm pretty sure it's illegal, and honestly I don't think it should be on here even if it isn't.

Argonis

01/19/16 10:57PM

hypnohub.net/wiki/show?title=help%3Arules_and_policies

i believe right under forbidden content it talks about that line.

Lunakiri

01/19/16 10:59PM

That's why the blacklist exists.
I'm not really going to get into a debate as toxic as this, BUT if you don't like it, blacklist it. Actually, add it BACK to your blacklist, since it's a default thing that is there. point is, you blacklist it, you'll never see it. Win-win?

Also, For some loli/shota pics, the characters are of age and just look to be younger. Therefore making it perfectly legal. Still... questionable, in my opinion, but legal. [I mean, seriously. If you had a girlfriend that was 26 but looked like she was 12, you'd be questioned about things, yes, but ID would prove she was an adult and then all would be fine].

But still. If you don't like it, blacklist it. That feature exists for a reason.

SomeCallMeSalty

01/19/16 11:05PM

Lunakiri said:
That's why the blacklist exists.
I'm not really going to get into a debate as toxic as this, BUT if you don't like it, blacklist it. Actually, add it BACK to your blacklist, since it's a default thing that is there. point is, you blacklist it, you'll never see it. Win-win?

Also, For some loli/shota pics, the characters are of age and just look to be younger. Therefore making it perfectly legal. Still... questionable, in my opinion, but legal. [I mean, seriously. If you had a girlfriend that was 26 but looked like she was 12, you'd be questioned about things, yes, but ID would prove she was an adult and then all would be fine].

But still. If you don't like it, blacklist it. That feature exists for a reason.

Here's the problem though. I know plenty of people who don't blacklist loli. Y'know, because it usually means loli. And somehow I doubt most people want to see child pornography on that tag. And when I say child, BOY do I mean it. Some of the stuff I've had the displeasure of seeing disturbs me on a level I can't even describe.

LillyTank

01/19/16 11:17PM

ZyxS said:
Here's the problem though. I know plenty of people who don't blacklist loli. Y'know, because it usually means loli. And somehow I doubt most people want to see child pornography on that tag. And when I say child, BOY do I mean it. Some of the stuff I've had the displeasure of seeing disturbs me on a level I can't even describe.

Could you perhaps present some examples of what you think is the worst and then categorize them in some way so that we can have a clearer of what you are talking about?

Argonis

01/19/16 11:25PM

LillyTank said:
Could you perhaps present some examples of what you think is the worst and then categorize them in some way so that we can have a clearer of what you are talking about?

i believe zyxs is talking about examples like these
hypnohub.net/post/show/19...-bisexual-bottomless-feet

hypnohub.net/post/show/32...ball-empty_eyes-female_on

SomeCallMeSalty

01/19/16 11:37PM

Argonis said:
i believe zyxs is talking about examples like these
hypnohub.net/post/show/19...-bisexual-bottomless-feet

hypnohub.net/post/show/32...ball-empty_eyes-female_on

More or less, yeah.
hypnohub.net/post/show/13..._hair-bottomless-crossove
is one of the worst i've seen. FireMario86 images in general are examples of this.

Mindwipe

01/19/16 11:45PM

ZyxS said:
What exactly is the fine line between child pornography, and something such as loli/shota?

It's not a fine line at all. It's the line between reality and fiction. That's like asking "What's the line between killing someone in GTA and killing someone in real life?" The line is that one seriously hurts a real-life person, and the other hurts no one. Literally no children are harmed by loli/shota pics.

ZyxS said:
I'm pretty sure it's illegal, and honestly I don't think it should be on here even if it isn't.

Whether or not it's legal depends on where you live. In some countries, it straight up isn't, which is mainly why it's on the default blacklist. In the US, it's a very gray area, and in the Netherlands, which is where the Hub's servers are located and therefore the country's laws we must abide by, it's not illegal at all.

averageguy17

01/19/16 11:48PM

Yeah, I've never been a big fan of the images where the jungle book kids are naked. I get that it's part of the story where Kaa hypnotizes and eats his prey, but I kind of believe that there is no need for the kids to be naked for that. I'm all for hypnotized kids, but only if it's for something cute or something, not for them to be fucked.

Something like this:hypnohub.net/post/show/28...-team-tan-chibi-curly_hai

(though I don't know if that counts as loli)

HypnoHubbaHubba

01/19/16 11:48PM

Aight, son, I'mma break this down for ya just chill.

Firstly, in the USA, at least, numerous courts have ruled that even the most extreme lolicon and shotacon images are protected as free speech under the first ammendment (If ya'll insist I will get on Westlaw and cite cases) because, really, it's just lines on paper/ones and zeros. No children are actually harmed, unlike in the production of actual kiddie porn. Anyway, though, I think the Hub servers are located in the Netherlands or Belgium or some shit so it doesn't even matter.

Second, the outrageousness/unsuitability of any image here is completely subjective. You find some loli and/or shota images deplorable. Cool story. Some people find any homosexual sex act so deplorable that they will stop speaking to their own flesh and bloof children if they believe their children engage in such acts. Should we ban all yuri and yaoi? (btw please don't do this) Some people feel that strongly about ANY sex act between unmarried partners, or legally married people of different races. Should we remove any image deicting anything other than heterosexual sex between racially homogenous partners whose marriage licence is in clear view so as not to offend their delicate sensibilities?

Third, all of this shit is harmless fantasy. No one here is any more likely to actually harm children than they are to, say, develop a drug to make people consent to sex acts they would usually find to be intensely disagreeable or build some legit insane supervillian tier mind control ray in their garage.

And, finally, the very idea of someone who fetishizes stripping sentient individuals of their very ability to give consent for sexual gratification (which I am 100% all about) criticizing someone else's sexual preferences? That's like the cook calling the butler black, bro.

Argonis

01/19/16 11:51PM

HypnoHubbaHubba said:
Aight, son, I'mma break this down for ya just chill.

Firstly, in the USA, at least, numerous courts have ruled that even the most extreme lolicon and shotacon images are protected as free speech under the first ammendment (If ya'll insist I will get on Westlaw and cite cases) because, really, it's just lines on paper/ones and zeros. No children are actually harmed, unlike in the production of actual kiddie porn. Anyway, though, I think the Hub servers are located in the Netherlands or Belgium or some shit so it doesn't even matter.

Second, the outrageousness/unsuitability of any image here is completely subjective. You find some loli and/or shota images deplorable. Cool story. Some people find any homosexual sex act so deplorable that they will stop speaking to their own flesh and bloof children if they believe their children engage in such acts. Should we ban all yuri and yaoi? (btw please don't do this) Some people feel that strongly about ANY sex act between unmarried partners, or legally married people of different races. Should we remove any image deicting anything other than heterosexual sex between racially homogenous partners whose marriage licence is in clear view so as not to offend their delicate sensibilities?

Third, all of this shit is harmless fantasy. No one here is any more likely to actually harm children than they are to, say, develop a drug to make people consent to sex acts they would usually find to be intensely disagreeable or build some legit insane supervillian tier mind control ray in their garage.

And, finally, the very idea of someone who fetishizes stripping sentient individuals of their very ability to give consent for sexual gratification (which I am 100% all about) criticizing someone else's sexual preferences? That's like the cook calling the butler black, bro.

don't you mean the kettle?

HypnoHubbaHubba

01/19/16 11:54PM

Argonis said:
don't you mean the kettle?

What?

Ogodei-Khan

01/19/16 11:56PM

The legality of such images are actually under dispute. The images are still "obscene" and you can get in trouble for having that stuff on your computer, but only under existing obscenity law, and NOT under the much harsher standards for actual child porn.

But because of the legal gray area, police basically never make an initiative to go after it. But if you know someone who has it on their computer and really hate them, you could turn them in for it, and they would get in trouble, just not nearly as much as if it had actually been child porn.

At least, that's US law. Because obscene speech can be regulated (per California v. Miller), but the Supreme Court has previously decreed that purely fictional characters cannot be equated to child pornography. Laws are on the books still calling that stuff kiddie porn, which means that it is illegal, but the law is unenforceable to the degree to which it is written (but enforceable under a lighter standard, which is really the difference between doing 2 years and doing a dime or more).

Though the point is that the unenforceability of it, as well as its nature as a purely victimless crime, means that you only get a few odd edge cases where it's even brought up.

plsignore

01/20/16 01:29AM

If it doesn't actually harm anyone, what's the problem? Like yeah, if it's porn of actual children, that's sick and needs to be stopped. But that's not what's going on here. It's completely fictional; completely fantasy. No one is being hurt.

Legality wise, loli is a bit a of a grey area, depending on where exactly you live. At least in the US however, no one has ever been arrested just for possessing loli, although it might be tacked on as an obscenity charge if you're arrested for something else. That doesn't mean you can't be arrested, but going by precedent it's unlikely. There are some countries where it's illegal, but that's why the blacklist has it on by default.

And since it's on the blacklist, you're never going to see it if you don't explicitly want to. So frankly, the fact that you want it banned entirely disgusts me about as much as loli disgusts you.

111

01/20/16 01:51AM

FAQ
Q: I don't like X fetish, it shouldn't be allowed here!

A: That's cheating, you didn't even ask a question! *cough* Well, too bad. It's here and we have no intention of banning it. You can always use the Blacklist if you don't like it. Or, you know, just ignore it.

Triple: it makes a valid point

Triple: I admit I dislike seeing images like the ones shown but I disaprove of anything saying to remove this I hate scat piss or blood (I'm ok with blood under some conditions) and I'm sure others hate it too but I would not ask for any of them banned becouse of a few months ago there was someone going on about how maledom/sub should be banned becouse it was "disgusting" just becouse someone dislikes it doesn't mean it should be banned