Zednark said:
I'd wait until the GTX 1050 is out this Fall or so. It'll be a much better card for a similar price.

vahn_yourdoom said:
ram ddr 4 16gb
i5 skylake -6600k
inno3D gtx950 ddr5
mother board biostar B150GT
PSU corsair cx600w
ssd samsung pro 850
WDC SATA III Green 2 TB 64 Mb 3.5 Inch

vahn_yourdoom said:
i want to build a new PC to draw in higher resolution and less lag in CSP (currently in my laptop i have tremendous lag everytime i use a water tool with brush size higher than 100)

so yeah, this is my PC build, do you guys think it can handle drawing in CSP in A4 700 DPI + streaming my drawing using xsplit? :)

Zednark said:
I'd wait until the GTX 1050 is out this Fall or so. It'll be a much better card for a similar price.

Codknight said:
I heard the opposite, it will be a slightly better mainly designed for the upcoming VR generation, with a much higher price. If you plan on getting the 950 then you definitely shouldn't wait because only the 1070 and 1080 are speculated to be released which will probably be in the $300-$600 range, whereas 950 is around $150-$200.

Edit: Nvm, 1050 and 1060 are also to be released, so if you can wait you may want to check the prices of those on release.

HypnoMangaEditor said:
Don't listen to these guys. They are talking about Gaming rigs, which you do not want from what I took from your posting. If it is just drawing and not playing games, you can use the onboard and it will work just fine for 2D drawing. You only need a separate card if you want to do certain 3D stuff - but there are speciality cards for that which are neither in your budget nor required.

I have been building PCs for 20+ years, for myself, for friends and as a professional several years ago for customers. I also recently upgraded and am quite happy with my setup.

I got 32 GB of Ram, but 16GB should be enough unless you plan on doing big animations or video editing. 32 GB would help for streaming though, but you are not streaming video games, so it is fine. The CPU is fine, though it does not have hyperthreading, which is helpful for streaming, but again, not streaming video games, so the 6600k is the go to CPU for everyone.

As I said, I would try with the onchip GPU if you are just drawing. If you want to play games, either use your old video card or buy a card depending on how much you want to play and which games. 950 GTX is NOT a good card. In this PC it would be the same as if you installed a solid iron gate at your port for security, but used a rusty lock from 50 years ago. As for PSU, 600w is fine, but I wouldn't buy a corsair. Look for EVGA or Bequiet.
The HDD are fine, I have the same and they run fine.

I also would suggest you go for either an Asus or Gigabyte board with a better chipset. Both the Asus Z170A and the GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 are excellent choices. You don't want to be cheap on the Motherboard or the PSU and in case you DO want to start gaming, you got a better chipset that will help you with that.

It will be very different. I never had any lag on my 6 year old PC like you described. Though I did have 16GB of RAM. Ram helps a lot for this, more so than any GPU will do for you. Your Laptop probably has some onboard GPU as well, but it's old and the newer on-chip GPUs should handle this quite fine.

As for graphic cards, now is the WORST time to buy one. I didn't when I bought my new PC and still use my old one until the new cards are available. And guess what? The old will drop in price quite a lot. You will be able to get a cheap 970 in a couple of weeks, which IS a good card for gaming. So if you can hold out and just use the onboard GPU, which is completely fine for drawing - then you should wait and use the money for a better board and PSU.

gguy123 said:
One good thing about building your own system- you can swap out parts as you need them. I built mine with a 660ti. I made plenty of art on it, earned a bit of money, and bought a 980. So, for something like a graphic's cards, don't worry so much- most programs go straight for the cpu anyways.

vahn_yourdoom said:
fair enough, i'll wait until the 3rd week of next month, hopefully the new hype gtx is out and the GPU prices go down a bit

vahn_yourdoom said:
what's wrong with corsair? are they broke fast or what?

vahn_yourdoom said:
i'm changing the HDD from green to blue for performance, as my friend suggested on chat

vahn_yourdoom said:
also i'll be looking at 970 prices, but can you give me a graphic card that's ~50USD cheaper for a close performance ? since i'm really pressing my wallet and those numbers can do well for a meal for half a month : )

vahn_yourdoom said:
i think i may search for a bit newer GPU than GTX 970 for equivalent price and similar performance, however.

HypnoMangaEditor said:
It will take a little longer than that, because demand on the big cards are high and until they are broadly on supply, the other cards will remain the same in price.

Hugely overrated. They make some of the loudest fans and you are generally paying too much for the brand. EVGA and Bequiet on the other hand are well established on the PSU market, having made amazing products over the past years.

Never used the blues, heard they are good though. If you use the HDD for Gaming as well, you may want the speed (I use an SSD for gaming and the Green purely for Storage).

There's none unless you want to go to the amd cards and you will be losing out. If you want decent gaming the first card to go to is the 970. It's the most used card in Gaming PCs and offers good Performance for a medium price. But there's one thing you could do.

Buy an EVGA graphics card. Why? Because THIS exists -> www.evga.com/support/stepup/

If you buy a 950 and are fine with the power it provides, keep it. People have different views on what they need and some are satisfied with 30fps at 720p while I game on max details at 1440p@60 (and others play 1080p@144 or even 4k@30). If you want more power, the Step up programm will give you the chance to get more power within 90 days of your purchase.

So here's what you should do. Do not buy any graphic card for the time being, wait. 1-2 months down the line, check the prices. If you don't have the money to buy a 970 with the price at that time, buy a 950 or 960, save some more, then step up a couple of days later if you want more power.

Like I said, there's none. GTX 970 is the most used graphic card for a reason. June will see the release of the 1070 for 479$, but I do not think you want to pay that much. Other than that, there are no newer cards on the market.

Shmecha said:
In this thread, I learned that gaming PCs are not that different from art PCs.

Shmecha said:
In this thread, I learned that gaming PCs are not that different from art PCs.

HypnoMangaEditor said:
It's basically a PC for drawing and gaming from time to time with settings like you have on consoles or worse (depending how good or bad the port is).

Vahn_yourdoom, don't buy a 950 - seriously. If you want to save money, wait for the thousands of people ebaying off their old graphic card next month, when they get their 1080/1070. I am sure you can get a 970 for the price or maybe 20-30$ more of a new 950. And don't plan what you buy in 3 years, because times and technology change, and there's a lot happening in that industry atm.

vahn_yourdoom said:
if i focused on gaming pc, i'll put higher budget on the GPU :p

hmm, but 970 is old, i'm kinda skeptic towards old things in terms of technology .-.

vahn_yourdoom said:
but wait, you haven't explained to me why is 950 bad... does it broke easy or didn't have enough horse power?

vahn_yourdoom said:
i'm happy just at playing new gen games at medium 35 fps, for now ...

HypnoMangaEditor said:
This isn't how this works. The 950 is by all means worse than a 970 and is based on the same technology. The 1080 and 1070 are way out of your budget so the best technology you can get is a 970 and it is still an awesome card and will fill the spot of low budget gaming cards for the next 2 years.

I told you. You are bottlenecking your PC. Your PC is only as good as its weakest part so your high end CPU won't matter at all if you are gaming with an entry level GPU. You will have an entry level gaming rig. It's like getting a 100 MBit Internet connection with a router that can only do 10 MBit to your PC - the 950 is that router, at least when you start a game.

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html - the GTX 950 is already on tier 7 (and will be tier 8 once the 1080 releases in 2 days). It's being beaten by graphic cards that have been released in 2010 in terms of performance. It being newer doesn't mean anything - it performs worse in almost all scenarios.

Powerwise you are looking at about half the power a 970 has. Nope, that doesn't mean you get half the frames - in most cases it is way less than that. Technology wise it uses about half the stuff the 970 does. It being released 1 year later doesn't make it better - they just stripped of Shader and Texture Units and Memory Bandwith as well as VRAM. VRAM is especially interesting, because some games start using more and more and 2GB are getting a little tight for decent settings.

Well, I am not gonna bore you with technobabble anylonger, so how about a comparison vid? Have a look at www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjzW3Ag2zZU and tell me you still want a 950. The difference is that huge. It's less if you drop it down to medium settings, but we wanted a comparison between the 2 cards and the 970 will always win out. ALWAYS.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mNiZUCd4M - Another comparison. Gets about the same results in The Divison as in Formula 1 2015.

With all details at medium and no AA you will get that on 1080p for the time being. But for all games in the next 3 years ... I don't know. And most games will look pretty bad, because you have to turn down quality all the way to get a decent performance. It will get even worse in the coming years, when GPU power will become more relevant for gaming and CPU power less.

If you are satisfied with ~30 fps, you want at least a stable 30 and you don't want to compromise by lowering the image quality too much. If you go any lower, you might as well just play on a PS4 and use your PC for drawing and surfing only, because it will have better framerates and image quality there.

I think I said my fair share now. If you still want the 950 with all that information, then get it, I still think with some looking on ebay in the coming weeks you will get a 970 for around that price and can do with the onboard for that long - but that is for you to decide and not me - I can only give you the advice.