There are ancient Greek writings complaining that society was going downhill because people were overvaluing sports stars, lacking discipline and work ethic, losing their morals, etc, etc, etc.

Our Current Generation Is Ruining Everything has been constantly chanted since we have been able to vocalize "you damn kids!".


That's why "the system" is not broken, because there is no "system". It does not exist independent of us, it IS us. Unless you can fundamentally change humanity, no revolution will fix things.

And if you can fundamentally change humanity...well, isn't that what this thread was created to rage about?

^^ right, you do so by fundamentally changing yourself.

Thought disruptors are scary but as long as you are in your own domain then it's not so bad, nothing can really get to you unless you want it to. Or whatever, you learn, ya know?

I recall one time I was talking to my brother late at night and we were having a totally deep convo about society and stuff, and literally just when he was trying to vocalize this complex thought about society, a car horn honked, and we both completely lost our trains of thought xD

This is very true. But never before has worldwide communication been such a nonissue. It would be foolish to think that developments in communication technology cannot and will not effect the outcome and severity of such things. Am I saying that the world is worse off now than ever before? Nope. But I am saying it's something to be wary of.



The <<www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/system|definition of system>> says that they do exist. Whether or not it is independent of us is entirely irrelevant. No one's saying that it's a natural system of the workings of the universe, but rather a system. The fact that it's a man-made system makes it no less a system and should be obvious, considering what the system(s) in question is(are).



Unless you can fundamentally change humanity, no revolution will fix things on any permanent basis. It can and often will, however, slow down the breakdown of our man-made system(s) by causing it(them) to change by a forced change of leadership.

A system will break down over time. However, at what threshold does a change to an existing system result in a new (although derivative) system entirely? How does this change effect the system's degradation? If a system is fundamentally changed, does it slow the degradation process? These are questions worth thought.

A fundamental change in a system can completely change how the system works. If you take the decision making factor of a system, i.e. government leadership, and replace it with an alternative that is not exactly the same, then the system itself, especially how it functions, changes.

Face it. Revolution happens and it works to some degree, for better or for worse. Once it gets bad enough, the next revolution happens. The process repeats itself (which is a system in and of itself, but let's not go there - the logic becomes completely mind boggling at that point). Examples of this exactly are seen throughout known history.



Not so much. I have no problem with fundamental changes in humanity. I'm sure most people in this thread realize that humanity will change over the course of time whether they like it or not, and they don't mind it enough to complain.

What this thread is "raging about" is not fundamental change in humanity, but rather fundamental change in humanity controlled by a select few who are greedy and selfish at heart, even more so than most of humanity due to already being in power (note: all tyrants were in positions of power - take from that fact what you will).

If humanity were to change, we'd prefer that change be caused naturally and by necessity, not by and for the sake of mortal whim. Fundamental change of humanity by mortal whim will be the end of free will as we know it, and I'll be damned if that's a good thing in and of itself. I certainly don't want my very thoughts to be in the control of another unless they are completely incapable of even considering their own well being and are incapable of having any selfish desires.

In short: fundamental change/evolution of humanity is fine, but putting that power in human hands, where the wielders are able to be selective in its use and its targets, is a terrible, nightmarish thing.

Global unification in the current context is not a good option. One huge government is much easier to corrupt than several smaller ones.


While that game does sound like some creepypasta stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they did try stuff like this. Most of the rest of what the video says is true, like the projects Paperclip, Artichoke, MKUltra and there's even some others like MKNaomi and MKDelta. I honestly don't know what to think about it, because sometimes I find these stories while looking for fapping material.


Not so fast, the system wasn't made with our collective intents but the ones of a few crooks in power.

Also, humanity didn't "fundamentally change" since the Roman empire but look, we don't throw people to the hungry lions for amusement anymore. Social change happens.


Exactly.

this is the video i watched on MKUltra....interviews with several people who were involved in these operations, including an agent who worked for the government and some women who were actually mind controlled...they seem kind of traumatized. definitely interesting...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2aF8kMb7Q