Rosalind_Lutece said:
Metals: I wouldn’t recommend sleepychat as your first port of call, as its UI allows for complete anonymity (no IP addresses) and consequently, complete lack of accountability. As far as your anxieties go, I /personally/ am not convinced your anxieties have necessarily been holding you back from becoming hypnotized. I’ve known some terribly anxious and overanalytical types, and those traits ultimately did not prevent any of those subjects from experiencing profound hypnosis. However, being analytical does come with the territory of /appearing/ to be a difficult subject, or a subject with a block. I’ll tell you a secret. I’m an impressively subby hypnoslut, sometimes. Hypersuggestible to boot. Despite this, I have often been called a difficult subject.
Metals: I wouldn’t recommend sleepychat as your first port of call, as its UI allows for complete anonymity (no IP addresses) and consequently, complete lack of accountability. As far as your anxieties go, I /personally/ am not convinced your anxieties have necessarily been holding you back from becoming hypnotized. I’ve known some terribly anxious and overanalytical types, and those traits ultimately did not prevent any of those subjects from experiencing profound hypnosis. However, being analytical does come with the territory of /appearing/ to be a difficult subject, or a subject with a block. I’ll tell you a secret. I’m an impressively subby hypnoslut, sometimes. Hypersuggestible to boot. Despite this, I have often been called a difficult subject.
Ah ok... What would you reccommend then.... and I honestly am TERRIBLE and talking to random people... or just people in general honestly and especially with a subject like this that I haven't done any sessions with anyone or anything like that.... Whenever I actually start talking to anyone I get extremly nervous, especially with people I don't know >_<.
Rosalind_Lutece said:
I will illuminate. You see, suggestion is a wonderfully powerful tool. So powerful, in fact, one does not even need a hypnotic state to experience hypnotic effects, if the suggestion is delivered with sufficiently dissociative language (www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810011002753). However, many hypnotists prefer to use imperatives, authority, and instruction in their trances. And it can work! But neurologically speaking, it’s far more similar to guided meditation (with sexy fetish awesomeness, perhaps :D) than a state in which a person feels themselves being compelled to sink into a trance.
I will illuminate. You see, suggestion is a wonderfully powerful tool. So powerful, in fact, one does not even need a hypnotic state to experience hypnotic effects, if the suggestion is delivered with sufficiently dissociative language (www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810011002753). However, many hypnotists prefer to use imperatives, authority, and instruction in their trances. And it can work! But neurologically speaking, it’s far more similar to guided meditation (with sexy fetish awesomeness, perhaps :D) than a state in which a person feels themselves being compelled to sink into a trance.
Interesting.
Rosalind_Lutece said:
Some people interface with suggestion in such a way that it doesn’t matter whether or not objectively dissociative language is used – what matters to them more is that they are being given the signal to go into trance. Other people, /especially/ analytic sorts, do not experience hypnosis in response to this style because the signal does not translate to anything. Because even ‘You must obey’ ultimately means ‘You must carry out these actions at my behest’. In dissociative language, you are not given the time of day to dream of carrying out those actions – they just happen, of themselves. And it is possible to be a very good hypnotist and not use that style! But it does mean that subjects like us can be, to the more unfortunately egotistical hypnotists, labelled as ‘difficult’ when we are in fact responding exactly right.
We are not forcing anything, and we are not fighting anything that seems to take. We can get nervous about it, but ultimately that doesn’t have to matter.
If I may be so bold, I invite you to entertain the notion that it’s not you; it’s them. (Not that I’m necessarily the answer to your hypnoprayers myself! I am no saviour.)
Some people interface with suggestion in such a way that it doesn’t matter whether or not objectively dissociative language is used – what matters to them more is that they are being given the signal to go into trance. Other people, /especially/ analytic sorts, do not experience hypnosis in response to this style because the signal does not translate to anything. Because even ‘You must obey’ ultimately means ‘You must carry out these actions at my behest’. In dissociative language, you are not given the time of day to dream of carrying out those actions – they just happen, of themselves. And it is possible to be a very good hypnotist and not use that style! But it does mean that subjects like us can be, to the more unfortunately egotistical hypnotists, labelled as ‘difficult’ when we are in fact responding exactly right.
We are not forcing anything, and we are not fighting anything that seems to take. We can get nervous about it, but ultimately that doesn’t have to matter.
If I may be so bold, I invite you to entertain the notion that it’s not you; it’s them. (Not that I’m necessarily the answer to your hypnoprayers myself! I am no saviour.)
That's an interesting way to explain it, I think pretty much nails that.
Rosalind_Lutece said:
Eshie is very right about limits, and knowing what one wants beforehand. I think that explicitly outlining wants and limits is something of great importance not only to the hypnotist, but to the subject. Speaking as someone who has been there and back again at the hands of hypnoabuse, sometimes not being grounded in the foundation of one’s own wishes can have disastrous consequences. It can be fun to be blank, mindless, and unconcerned with what one experiences in the midst of a hypnotized and vulnerable state, of course. But it’s not always as simple as being able to stop if you want to. When one is uncertain about what one wants, sometimes the mind can become dangerously malleable. This isn’t meant to scare anyone off, but is to say that hypnoabuse can happen, and people can do things while hypnotized they later regret, or realize they never /wanted/ to do in the first place. Consider it similar to alcohol – hypnosis can be a gateway to abuse, and even though it doesn’t de facto *make* you drool there and take it, it does make drooling there and taking it far easier, for better or worse.
Eshie is very right about limits, and knowing what one wants beforehand. I think that explicitly outlining wants and limits is something of great importance not only to the hypnotist, but to the subject. Speaking as someone who has been there and back again at the hands of hypnoabuse, sometimes not being grounded in the foundation of one’s own wishes can have disastrous consequences. It can be fun to be blank, mindless, and unconcerned with what one experiences in the midst of a hypnotized and vulnerable state, of course. But it’s not always as simple as being able to stop if you want to. When one is uncertain about what one wants, sometimes the mind can become dangerously malleable. This isn’t meant to scare anyone off, but is to say that hypnoabuse can happen, and people can do things while hypnotized they later regret, or realize they never /wanted/ to do in the first place. Consider it similar to alcohol – hypnosis can be a gateway to abuse, and even though it doesn’t de facto *make* you drool there and take it, it does make drooling there and taking it far easier, for better or worse.
Right I can understand that and I do know what my limits are, especially when I'm just starting off, because I would only want to do simple things just to try to expereince trance a few times, before going into the more.... detailed expereinces. >_> <_<.
Rosalind_Lutece said:
Back to your writing, Metals, about stopping being nervous and actually trying something; there is no need for you to do anything with any anxiety you might have. The idea is generally to pay attention, and see what happens Hypnosis is about how a person responds; there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.
Back to your writing, Metals, about stopping being nervous and actually trying something; there is no need for you to do anything with any anxiety you might have. The idea is generally to pay attention, and see what happens Hypnosis is about how a person responds; there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.
I guess that's a really good way to go with it. I wanna try to get over that and to just... you know, do it and stop worrying about it. Idk, then I get really nervous and end up not trying (or even asking anyone or whatever)... happens with a lot of things with me.
Either way, wow, this was an amazing response. :)
