Posted on 2014-04-02 00:07:24
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Okay, HypnoHub, we need to talk. Now, I believe that corruption is MC 99% of the time, but that's because 99% of the time, corruption involves turning a good character evil through either magical or mind break means. At what point is something just transformation and not corruption? And at what point is corruption not MC? Take this whole "Jokerization" thing. Is a gas that turns you into a white-faced, green-haired, laughing, teeth monster really MC, or is it just the most impractical drug ever? It's obvious that the mind is altered but not really controlled, and I'd say that's a pretty big difference. After all, LSD alters the mind, but posting a pic of someone on an acid trip wouldn't be allowed.

Just something I think is deserving of discussion. Perhaps this should be a forum thread.

Posted on 2014-04-02 00:30:54
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to be fair, wouldn't most corruption based pics be a form of alteration? We could also take bimbofiction into account which basically comes down to an intelligent and/or normal woman being turned into some big boobed...well bimbo. That could also be considered more along the lines of mind alteration as opposed to actual control. It's almost the same as jockerizing just not quite as...disturbing depending on your tastes.

Posted on 2014-04-02 00:37:13
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I say that it would hae to be followed up. For ecample, the gas is used to make the mind weak then mc is used to finish the free will of te victim off

Posted on 2014-04-02 00:39:15
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I agree, but sometimes bimboification is a side effect of mind control or hypnosis. For example I would see someone drinking bimbo juice as becoming a bimbo as alteration, but if the next scene is a man/woman further trainin or enslavin the bimbo, that's mind control

Posted on 2014-04-02 00:42:32
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A good point, but then again, I don't view most of the bimbofication pics on this site as MC, so I'm not sure how to take it.

Posted on 2014-04-02 00:47:37
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Personally while this sort of corruption is clearly mentally affecting, I've never gotten the allure and it puts me in a place where judging it feels difficult because its just so thoroughly shrug inducing. So they laugh and look more like the Joker. So?

The character is Mercy Graves, which you may remember from the Superman Animated Series, Lex's assistant. I don't get how to make a tag a character, but I attempted to help all the same, sorry for my tag inexperience!

Posted on 2014-04-02 02:28:43
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It's just my opinion, but corruption and mind alteration that would definitely be filed under mind control would be where there is an identifiable (or in the case of say, an unfamiliar original character, an implied obvious) change in beliefs or personality post-hypnotic process. A righteous character falling to the dark side, a character with normal sensibilities changed to become lewd, and so on; these examples being identifiable mind control which twist the character's... character, rather than being the execution of a command while under, or else "under" with a twisted personality and/or beliefs becoming the foreseeable permanent state of things.

Transformation could be a symptom, drugging could be a cause, but with the central point being that the state of a character's personality and beliefs must undergo a somewhat lasting change.

However, I was under the impression that canon Jokerization was just a disturbing way of drugging someone to death-by-laughter...? So physical changes occur, but there is no change in personality, because the victim is very shortly dead?

Posted on 2014-04-02 04:42:51
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The Joker's never been about practicality.

Posted on 2014-04-02 07:24:57
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I'd make the distinction that, with bimbofication and/or jokerization, someone is intentionally altering the victim's minds in a (seemingly) permanent way to suit their own ends - a subtle form of control, to be sure, but the intent to modify/corrupt/control makes a big difference when compared to someone just taking a temporary drug trip of their own volition.

Posted on 2014-04-02 08:37:47
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While there are actually several versions of joker venom that have been used in the many versions, timelines, and media, most versions are lethal or clearly a poison. In a small handful of cases, I believe an animated version with Robin [Tim Drake], the joker has used it to drive a person insane, and then manipulate them.

However, I think the important part here is not the reality of Joker Venom, but more of the fandom that surrounds it - after all, I don't think anyone would say 'real hypnosis doesn't work that way'. In most the jokerization pics posted here, there is a strong current closer to corruption and bimbofication - often either showing the victims in the midst of transformation, usually a very uptight person in universe struggling against it, or post transformation and now working with the joker, clearly not in a coma, dead, or otherwise incapacitated.

While I enjoy the above pic, it is clearly borderline, showing no outward force controlling Mercy.... having said that, I have frowned at other pics much better received that seemingly had no outside control, but used more common signifying tropes, such as spiral and blank eyes.

Maybe the above pic should be removed, but the reasoning should not be "jokerization isn't mc" or "joker venom isn't a practical means of controlling a victim" but rather "this picture in particular seems to lack MC" or "we have now decided to disallow MC pics which do not clearly delineate a variance of control", the latter of which I'll happily help hunt down pics I felt have lacked that quality