Posted on 2017-02-06 20:00:25
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three sabers? are they all part of the same family or the same person or what?

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:04:33
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It has to do with Fate/Grand Order. The game has multiple kinds of the same servant, such as Arturia having five versions of herself (three of them in the Saber class). Normal Arturia is in the front, Saber Arturia Alter is on the left, and Saber Arturia Lily (supposed to be a younger more 'innocent version', though she was aged up in this pic) on the right. So they're all the same person, just different iterations.

As an aside, I thought Saber Lily was Saber Nero at first. :P

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:09:11
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Well you're half right. Those are all King Arthur Saber class though, the one in front is normal the one to the left is if she's been corrupted by the Holy Grain but she's still King Arthur, on the right is the Saber if Caster's brainwashing in Fate/Stay Night is successful and she gets "corrupted" into being the kind of girl Caster would like her to be. Which is quite girly.
So in this picture it doesn't have to do with Grand Order but the earlier one Fate/Unlimited Codes

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:24:40
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This is what I hate about the Nasuverse. Alter Saber being related to Saber makes sense, she's physically the same and has most of her powers, but is morally the opposite of Saber so she's not really King Arthur, cause Saber is the embodiment of King Arthur. But then they had to go and make all these other "Saber" characters that have nothing to do with Saber. What does Lily or Nero Saber have in common with the original Saber? Nothing, besides the fact that Saber is the most popular character in their series so it's easy money to just reuse her character model and say she's another Saber. They could have done what they did with Rin, by just having Ishtar and Eres use her body to fight in and say they're similar in looks and how they act so that's why. But Ishtar, Rin, and Eres would all be separate characters that aren't just named "Rin", "Ishtar Rin" and "Eres Rin".

It's a rant, but I just think it weakens the stories by them saying "she's a cash cow and we're going to milk it". I don't even like Alter Saber in concept or how she played out in the story in FSN, but it makes *some* sense.

>on the right is the Saber if Caster's brainwashing in Fate/Stay Night is successful and she gets "corrupted" into being the kind of girl Caster would like her to be.

That's not true at all. Look up Lily Saber and look at the design on her sword and this one. They're the same. Plus Caster only breaks Saber once, and that's a bad end, and there's no difference between that and real Saber. And as for making Saber girly, all she wanted to do to Saber was pry on her molest her because she found her hot and innocent. No indication she wanted to make her girly, she just dressed her up in the wedding dress to signify purity and how she was going to basically break Saber by torturing her.

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:27:34
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"OK then, we'll change topics. Saber has a lot of alter egos like Saber Alter and Saber Lily. How do you see them, Urobuchi?

Uro: What I imagine is that for the Saber Lily storyline, in Fate/stay night, Saber was completely beaten by Caster, and so she became one of her Servants. Like, she thought "I'd be way better off with Caster than with Shirou." (Laughs)
Nasu: I never thought of that. Interesting. So in other words, the white dress represents how both her body and soul have been tamed by Caster. So Lily is truly like a "lily" to Caster... you crazy bastard, you did it again..."

Lily being "yuri" in japanese which also means "lesbian".

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:49:41
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What are talking about? I just pointed out that the Saber on the right is Saber Lily and not what you were saying. Do you see how all three Sabers in the picture have different designs on their swords? Here is a picture of Saber Lily I googled a moment ago, static.zerochan.net/Saber.Lily.full.245069.jpg

Look at the designs on the sword, they're the same. There is no design or even an input for Caster corrupting Saber because it's not canon. Here is the wikia of all the adaptions of Saber, typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Artoria_Pendragon

Saber being corrupted by Caster is just a bad end choice, it doesn't actually happen. The wedding dress isn't about being a lesbian to Caster, Saber Lily isn't even in the FSN universe, she's off in like F/GO, a different universe. It's about how Caster's character was married and then was constantly banished from countries because she was a witch and couldn't be with the person she loved. She puts the dress on Saber because it's mocking her and she's basically raping her. Shirou originally couldn't see Saber as a fighter and only saw her as a woman, when she was King Arthur no one saw her as a woman or husband(yea, kinda weird, but she was technically the husband because her sex was hidden) and only saw her as a king, and Caster is seeing her not as a king or fighter, but as a woman she can take her lust out on(and a pawn for summoning the grail).

Yes, she would use Saber as a sex slave, but Saber would only let it happen because of the link of Master/Servant, not because she's a lesbian. And as for Lily meaning "yuri", that's not the case, she's Saber Lily because she's adorable like a lily. Saber Lily is just Saber before she became King Arthur, it's when she was training and still had hope.

Posted on 2017-02-06 20:52:59
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So on your side you have a wikia entry and on my side I have Fate/Side Material interview with word of god Kinoko Nasu and Gen Urobochi. You'll also notice that the sword is Caliburn, which is the first sword that King Arthur had before breaking it. If you knew that, you know, King Arthur had two legendary swords.

typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caliburn



She's in Fate/Unlimited Codes, the Fate/Stay Night fighting game that only pulls from Stay Night. She shows up later in F/GO, she was made as a character a decade before it.

Posted on 2017-02-06 21:07:51
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I miss the Alpha series' Cammy outfit. Hell, I miss the Alpha series in general. Anyone know if there's a way to play those aside from emulation nowadays? I mean, I will emulate them if needed, but I'd prefer to at least try to get a legit way to play them. (Not available on the PS4 store I just checked. Damn.)

(Sorry guys, I'm tapped out on Fate talk for today.)

Posted on 2017-02-06 21:15:07
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I honestly had no idea that your quote was from an interview because it's so casual and doesn't look official. You're not even citing it first off, you're just saying it's an interview when the wikia entries are sourced from the games. You would think that they would mention Caster in Saber Lily's entry about how she's a lesbian or a she's corrupted, but nope, just about how Saber Lily is a true Saber in training.

>If you knew that, you know, King Arthur had two legendary swords.

I'm aware of the legends of King Arthur. But the point is that they're different designs for a reason, to signify who they are. It makes no sense for Saber Lily to be a corrupted Saber, it's just them talking. Ray Bradbury has changed the meaning of Fahrenheit 451 several times, does that mean we should listen to him when his book and he are saying 2 different things? Lucas claims SW is a kids movie, even though there are tons of adult themes that aren't kid friendly, should we listen to the dude because he realized kids like his movie after he released one or two of them? Aldous Hexley was originally very against drugs and it's why Brave New World made Soma out to be this terrible drug, and then he tried a hallucinogenic and started loving drugs. Should we ignore his message of anti-drugs simply cause he changed his mind after he wrote Brave New World? The point is this, creators say a lot of stupid things after they release stuff because they realize it was profitable, they could make more money this way, or whatever. The creator has also said he doesn't like the H-scenes in FSN and considers the non H-scene versions canon.

You can't have your cake and it eat too. He is the creator, but that doesn't mean what he says is the word of god in his universe, the company does and they do this by approving the content they release. And the games show no indication that Saber Lily is in any way a lesbian or a corrupt form of Saber. Anno wanted to do other things in NGE, but the company said no, Charles Dickens had his version of Great Expectations that he wanted, but his editor said you can't have that one, Miyazaki has his own lore for Dark Souls that doesn't match what is presented in the games. The games are the final words in what occurs, not what is said in an interview.

I saw that in the wikia, but I'm more familiar with F/GO. You can even see in the wikia that the ONLY reference to Caster and Saber Lily is the dress that Caster put on her. Which one again, symbolizes that Saber was a virgin(somehow, I don't know how, but they say she is) and innocent, and how Caster wanted to rape her. OH WAIT. You can even read the bottom of the text on the wikia and it literally says " She originally had no background information within unlimited codes or other side materials, but Nasu Kinoko and Gen Urobuchi joked about her being a version of Saber fully tamed by Caster during a discussion." It's a joke, your whole premise is based off a joke.

Posted on 2017-02-06 21:16:48
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Got it so you don't agree with word of god. I'm glad we've come to an understanding so we don't need to discuss it anymore.