Posted on 2019-11-25 03:43:18
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Congratulations Daniel Craig you had a star wars scene lol

Posted on 2019-11-25 04:12:32
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I still can't get over how badly botched the Disney Wars movies have been.

Posted on 2019-11-25 05:00:36
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Im curious, in what way do you feel they are botched? I, personally, have quite enjoyed them and feel that a lot of good has come out of them, like the Mandalorian as the most recent example

Posted on 2019-11-25 05:09:52
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I haven't seen the show yt but i hear its better then the movies.

Posted on 2019-11-25 05:24:51
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Yeah, I happen to like the movies, too.

Posted on 2019-11-25 06:42:53
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I was rather fond of Rogue One, personally.

Posted on 2019-11-25 07:44:44
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Agreed. I'll admit I had some problems with Episode 8, but overall the movies are solid. I even liked Rogue One, and at the very least felt Solo was fun, but not exactly a "good" movie.

Posted on 2019-11-25 07:58:25
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Wow. I'm about to go full nerd rant on a porn site. God have mercy on my soul. Dont read below if you havent seen the movies.


The Mandalorian (which is a freaking masterpiece so far) and to a lesser amount Rouge One, are the only good to come from Disneys ownership with the IP. I hear Jedi Fallen order is pretty good too, but I havent played it.

The sins of the new cinematic trilogy are numerous, and flat out disrespectful to the movies that came before it.

For example, just to have a retelling of episode 4 in episode 7, they have Starkiller Base wipe out the New Republic in a three minute scene. Three minutes to destroy literally everything that was supposed to be the pay off of the original trilogy. Three of the greatest movies of all time reduced to nothing, just to retell Luke's origin story with Rey. Like seriously, now that we know the outcome, what the fuck was even the point of the original rebellion against the empire? Luke, Leia, and Hans fight resulted in literally FUCK ALL now. And then in episode 8 we see an absolute butchering of Luke's character. Luke, literally the physical embodiment of hope in the Star Wars universe (and the most powerful jedi to ever live in the EU Novels that Disney through out of canon) gave up on his nephew when he sensed a darkness in him, when he never gave up on seeing the light in his freaking father, who literally murdered children? It just makes no fucking sense and shows that the writers had no understanding of who Luke is. Honestly the whole new trilogy reads like a bad fanfiction.

Then we have scenes like Admiral Holdos destruction of the First Orders battlegroup by hyperspace ramming that also show that Ryan Johnson and the writers didnt understand the established lore of the universe, that hyperspace was a different dimension than regular space and ships in hyperspace only need to worry about entry and exit points. That one scene just made fleet combat tactics irrelevant and honestly, why wont we just see armadas of ships fighting by strapping hyperspace drives on the back of huge mass's and firing them off at enemy ships for every battle moving forward if they are apparently so devastating.

We also have the scene where Leia, a force sensitive persone who as far as we know never actually received force training, committed a feat we have never seen any other force user accomplish, literally surviving being spaced, when they could've accomplished that same scene in so many other in canon means, like activating a ray shield right before being sucked out.

Just... in so many ways the new movies just step on what came before. Getting established lore wrong, changing the very cores of several characters, killing off characters and even invalidating the entire point of the original trilogy.

Posted on 2019-11-25 07:59:05
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fair warning. i'm going to go full on essay mode in here. i'm putting it behind spoilers since i don't want a giant ugly wall in the comments blocking off other discussion.

i think i can speak for a lot of people when i say the writing has just been dreadful, at least in the mainline movies. i thought rogue one was ok and i didn't see solo because no one fucking did, but from what i heard that was for good reason, so really it's just rogue one. i also haven't seen mandalorian because fuck off i'm not paying for diet netflix to see one show, disney, but i also hear that's good.
back to my point, bad writing and bad characters/characterization. i'll give my one exception to finn here because i actually liked his character, at least in tfa. poe was alright in tlj, or he would be if him being right all the time wasn't constantly undermined by everyone around him for the sake of a really forced character arc where he learns to blindly follow orders no matter how inept your superiors seem. rey is boring, way too strong, and has no room to do anything as a character except win whatever she needs to. there's a reason that the only things people who like the movies talk about in regards to her are whether or not she'll turn to the dark side, and whether or not she'll hook up with kylo. there's nothing else left, especially after any discussion of her lineage got yeeted into space along with ackbar. i get massive anakin vibes from her where she's just this super awesome chosen one who's amazing at everything, but at least not everyone liked anakin. half the jedi council was fucking afraid of him even when he was a kid. everyone falls in love with rey the moment they meet her, and her performance and characterization don't give me the vibe that she's particularly charismatic. i know it will discredit me in the eyes of everyone who likes the movies but i'm going to do it. i'm going to say the m-s-word. it's almost shocking to me how closely rey emulates the original mary sue from a trekkie's tale. it's almost like it was done on purpose. the brand new character who does everything the old characters did even better than them, who everyone, even the villain, loves, and forces them to act out of character because they have to fall into the "love rey" mindset. luke was only as good as she is in her first movie by his third, so it doesn't leave any room for her to grow physically, and with pretty much no flaws to speak of or work on, there's no room for her to grow mentally or emotionally. it makes for a boring character to follow which is why i ended up rooting for finn constantly during tfa, whose biggest problem i had in that movie was that he was pretty happy to kill his fellow stormtroopers upon escaping despite his distaste for death. but he was unique. we'd never gotten a stormtrooper's perspective before and he had a clear arc ahead of him, going from trying to run away to standing and fighting. it's not complex or anything, but it didn't need to be. then they just repeated it in the last jedi because it was blatantly clear they had no idea what to do with his character. they even separated him from both poe and rey, the only people he has any kind of connection with in exchange for some new character whose personality i honestly can't even remember. i only watched the movie a couple months ago too.
the universe is fucked too. the first order is incredibly powerful with unlimited resources for no reason and they came from nowhere. destroying the starkiller base did fuck all and it seems like it honestly made them stronger. destroying snoke and his ship did nothing, they destroyed the base same as they would if he was alive. snoke was this ultimately powerful being that came from nowhere, ruined the happily ever afters of our previous characters but it turns out he didn't matter and everyone is just cool with that. everything in tfa happens in like a couple days by complete coincidence. then tlj happens in a few hours right after tfa, destroying the republic and the rebels all in one swoop. and what's the end point of all this? to invalidate the entire original trilogy. nothing anyone did mattered, and now they all die for it. han dies, luke dies, leia may as well be dead, c-3po, r2-d2 and chewbacca are useless set dressing just there to sell toys, all to prop up the new boring characters and make them seem cooler than they really are. and people eat this shit up. people ripped into the prequels for years, the writing, the characters, the effects, every facet of them until they became jokes. no one had a problem with that, if your writing was bad then that was detrimental to the quality of your movie. but now there's all these "debates" on the nature of writing itself. can writing really be bad? all in defense of utterly mediocre movies that have no drive or purpose to them. that's one of the biggest things that gets me, what is the point of these movies? even the prequels had a fucking point, tell the story of how a normal man became darth vader, and you could tell that from the offset. the point of the original was to tell the story of how a group of friends toppled an oppressive empire, and how one man helped redeem his father. the point of the sequel trilogy seems to be to destroy everything people loved about the originals while simultaneously dangling reference after reference after fucking reference in front of them. your favorite characters fucking suck, here's the awesome new ones saying and doing the exact same thing as those characters who suck. really the entire point of this series is to dredge a happy ending that everyone loved out of the mud so they can do it again, but worse, and make a shitzillion dollars.
or at least that's my thoughts on it.

Posted on 2019-11-25 08:01:23
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It goes to show you what happens when you don't plan things ahead and just make things up as they go along. *looks at Palpatine*



And that's fine that you enjoy them. No one can take that away from you. However, it doesn't change that Episode 7 and 8 are not well written. Slow bombers, force ghost interacting with real world, Rey etc.

Haven't seen Mandalorian, but I read that Jon Favreau went to George Lucas for advice when making the show. Now compare that to the Sequel Trilogy where they didn't follow George's advice and did whatever they want.